IBIS, lack of, Feedback

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19 minutes ago, steve edmunds said:

get IBIS add some live view take that old silly rangefinder out maybe get some AF in there and bingo you have a camera just like all the others.

a dream come true for many on here. you could still call it an RF camera like the mickey mouse Fuji camera because people these days think that it must be a rangefinder because it looks like one!!

Faux Range Finder... and make it in China, which is where the Visoflex 2 is made.

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[SrMi]

34 minutes ago, steve edmunds said:

get IBIS add some live view take that old silly rangefinder out maybe get some AF in there and bingo you have a camera just like all the others.

a dream come true for many on here. you could still call it an RF camera like the mickey mouse Fuji camera because people these days think that it must be a rangefinder because it looks like one!!

IBIS is different as it changes nothing in the M's rangefinder experience, except that you can shoot at slower shutter speeds as if you were an Olympic sharpshooter.

[steve edmunds]

10 minutes ago, SrMi said:

IBIS is different as it changes nothing in the M's rangefinder experience, except that you can shoot at slower shutter speeds as if you were an Olympic sharpshooter.

thanks , its fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers but for everyone else its not needed at all in my view

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14 minutes ago, steve edmunds said:

thanks , its fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers but for everyone else its not needed at all in my view

... and not even essential for wildlife... M11-D w/ 90mm APO Summicron:

 

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2 hours ago, steve edmunds said:

thanks , its fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers but for everyone else its not needed at all in my view

Are you saying that SL shooters who have IBIS activated are useless incompetent photographers? 🤣

 

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3 hours ago, steve edmunds said:

thanks , its fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers but for everyone else its not needed at all in my view

Actually this is exactly and completely incorrect.

1. Wildlife photographers rarely see much benefit from image stabilisation, except for a steady viewfinder. They shoot generally at faster than 1/f to freeze motion.

2. IBIS only works to 400mm. You need OIS above that.

3. People are different. Not everyone has steady hands. That has little to do with competency as a photographer.

…..bah! I had a few more but this comment was so obviously wrong I don’t know what I even bothered.

Gordon

[lct]

IBIS is fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers

I do scenic photography like landscape, waterfalls etc etc mostly at F8 approx and often on a tripod

Nobody's perfect 😄

 

[steve edmunds]

On 5/29/2025 at 12:43 AM, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Actually this is exactly and completely incorrect.

1. Wildlife photographers rarely see much benefit from image stabilisation, except for a steady viewfinder. They shoot generally at faster than 1/f to freeze motion.

2. IBIS only works to 400mm. You need OIS above that.

3. People are different. Not everyone has steady hands. That has little to do with competency as a photographer.

…..bah! I had a few more but this comment was so obviously wrong I don’t know what I even bothered.

Gordon

with my OM system OM-1 i can shoot a kingfisher at 1/20 second when that bird is still and it can be a beautiful image totally unobtainable without the incredible IBIS in that camera.

the steady viewfinder you mention is actually very important in the field in my view, wildlife photographers sometimes have to use low shutter speeds in poor light to keep the ISO below 12800, on my camera 12800 can be done only if the bird/animal is close.

clearly subject movement makes this impossible but most, maybe all wildlife stays still at times making it possible to nail a shot thanks to IBIS.

your right about some do not have steady hands for whatever reason, i just feel we do not have to have every feature available in a rangefinder?

[steve edmunds]

On 5/28/2025 at 10:59 PM, SrMi said:

Are you saying that SL shooters who have IBIS activated are useless incompetent photographers? 🤣

 

no but do we need to cram everything into the M series,,,, not important anyway because Leica are turning the M into just another mirrorless camera anyway.

[steve edmunds]

23 hours ago, lct said:

IBIS is fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers

I do scenic photography like landscape, waterfalls etc etc mostly at F8 approx and often on a tripod

Nobody's perfect 😄

 

i get what your saying but the shutter speeds of 20 seconds plus cannot be helped with any IBIS 

[lct]

Haha The Real Leica Man (TRLM) cannot change. 50 years ago TRLM was supposed to take photos without Leicameter. Been there -not- done that. Now TRLM is supposed to take photos without IBIS. Camera shake? Who cares? Even HCB said that sharpness is a bourgeois concept. And bla and bla and bla. Did i say TRLM cannot change? 😄 Just kidding, nothing personal 😎

 

 

[DadDadDaddyo]

"TRLM" is a fitting and satirical label.

It perfectly captures the fellow who chooses the Leica, first and foremost, (1) to be seen, and (2) to publicly perform the personification of the close-minded purist, shackled to an idea and with an eye to how others regard him, espousing both a club and a clique, but ultimately inescapably solitary, precisely because he strives forelornly to separate himself from others. He has earned his lampooning.

TRLM opposes image stabilization because he feels he's supposed to. 

For this particular old guy, that is, as a Leica user since the 1960s, image stabilization is a useful feature in the cameras that have it. I certainly don't oppose it in principal or poo-poo it, and I own and use cameras that employ it.

But neither do I see it as a relevant factor in my choice of the Leica as my primary instrument. That choice becomes apparent only in hindsight, the product of years of individual decisions made in the moment as to which camera to grab in a given situation. 

If IBIS is relevant to a use case, I'll happily use a body which offers it. 

But, all things taken into consideration, what I usually reach for is my M11 or M11M, mostly because I simply like them,  but also because, in most of the situations that matter to me, IBIS or OIS are not important. 

 

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On 5/28/2025 at 3:53 PM, steve edmunds said:

thanks , its fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers but for everyone else its not needed at all in my view

Your view is best applied to your own uses. The only thing this comment reveals is a failure of imagination. 

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4 hours ago, pgh said:

Your view is best applied to your own uses. The only thing this comment reveals is a failure of imagination. 

i have no idea what your saying but it sounds really clever so it must be true.

can we not just use proper technique when holding a camera like we always did? is that so far fetched?

[pgh]

1 hour ago, steve edmunds said:

i have no idea what your saying but it sounds really clever so it must be true.

can we not just use proper technique when holding a camera like we always did? is that so far fetched?

“Proper” technique never reliably got me a sharp frame at 1/3 of a second with a 35mm lens and a relatively high resolving sensor - but if that’s worked for you, you sure can do that!

And if “proper” for you means I should have had a tripod, again, you’re failing to imagine the different scenarios photographers work under. In my case, IBIS is something that allows me to photograph “sense of place” images in dark interiors or dwindling or even no daylight while on documentary shoots that I need to be very mobile on - where tripods are not feasible. This is just one example but also one that has redefined the work I can do with the tool. 

Really, I’m not trying to sound clever - it just reads like you can’t fathom applications for a tool outside of your own uses - except that you assume your own uses are universal. 

[lct]

Whatever "proper", "pure" or whatever technique you have, use the same with slow shutter speeds together on a low res and a high res digital cameras. Unless you have rock solid hands, you will see a difference in terms of blur and the only ways to avoid it, aside from doing a lot of gym, is to use a tripod or image stabilization 😎

[kiwidad]

On 5/28/2025 at 2:53 PM, steve edmunds said:

thanks , its fantastic for wildlife and useless incompetent photographers but for everyone else its not needed at all in my view

Yup and whilst you can shoot at 1/18th of a sec I just don't see how you make your subject freeze while you shoot them!

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[kiwidad]

4 hours ago, lct said:

Whatever "proper", "pure" or whatever technique you have, use the same with slow shutter speeds together on a low res and a high res digital cameras. Unless you have rock solid hands, you will see a difference in terms of blur and the only ways to avoid it, aside from doing a lot of gym, is to use a tripod or image stabilization 😎

I bet when you view the 60MP image on your screen without zooming in  you can't see that pixel peep blur! So I avoid it by viewing the image at a whole at the normal viewing size which for me is on a 14" iPad Pro. If your a hard core "cropper" it might be an issue but.....

Hands up if you remember film and those 16x20 enlargements 🙂 

Frankly do I need to count every hair on a subjects face  lol

[kiwidad]

6 hours ago, pgh said:

“Proper” technique never reliably got me a sharp frame at 1/3 of a second with a 35mm lens and a relatively high resolving sensor - but if that’s worked for you, you sure can do that!

if its not a static subject exactly how do you make it stand still while the sensor exposes at 1/3 of a second?