BernardC Posted March 2 Share #141 Posted March 2 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 hours ago, LD_50 said: Unfortunately I really disliked the S5ii body! I wear a North Face Large/9 glove and it’s small and cramped in my hands. The few reviews I've watched of the S1R2 mention that it has noticeably bigger grip than the S5, so you'll want to have another go when it's available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LD_50 Posted March 2 Share #142 Posted March 2 2 hours ago, BernardC said: The few reviews I've watched of the S1R2 mention that it has noticeably bigger grip than the S5, so you'll want to have another go when it's available. The body looks VERY slightly different than S5ii but they haven’t made it taller or wider or spaced out the buttons. A different grip shape doesn’t change the problem for me, it’s just too small for the purpose it serves. It’s also not small enough to be worth the trade off for me (unlike say an M camera vs SL series where I can handle the subpar grip because it serves a different purpose with different functionality). HxWxD (from manufacturer) S1Rii: 4.03 x 5.29 x 3.61" S5ii: 4.03 x 5.29 x 3.55" S1R: 4.33 x 5.86 x 3.81" SL3: 4.25 x 5.55 x 3.33" (width doesn’t include strap lugs, 5.9 with them) SL2-S: 4.23 x 5.76 x 3.24" (width doesn’t include strap lugs, 6.1 with them) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 2 Author Share #143 Posted March 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, LD_50 said: The body looks VERY slightly different than S5ii but they haven’t made it taller or wider or spaced out the buttons. A different grip shape doesn’t change the problem for me, it’s just too small for the purpose it serves. It’s also not small enough to be worth the trade off for me (unlike say an M camera vs SL series where I can handle the subpar grip because it serves a different purpose with different functionality). HxWxD (from manufacturer) S1Rii: 4.03 x 5.29 x 3.61" S5ii: 4.03 x 5.29 x 3.55" S1R: 4.33 x 5.86 x 3.81" SL3: 4.25 x 5.55 x 3.33" (width doesn’t include strap lugs, 5.9 with them) SL2-S: 4.23 x 5.76 x 3.24" (width doesn’t include strap lugs, 6.1 with them) Another vote for the size of S1/S1R relative to the Lumix newcomers. Preferences for the size and form-factor of the body depends on the size of the hand, plus what we are used to, I guess. I have relatively large hands, so for me the bodies I am most comfortable with are Leica S (top-of-the-top in my hand) and SL. But after using S5 and S9 for shorter periods of time, I can live with these bodies as well. I plan to add S1Rii to SL3, with the former mostly used for semi-action with semi-long lenses; SL3 for landscape/still-type of photography. As far as I recall, there were loads and loads of complaints re the 'large' size/heavy weight of S1/S1R (as well as SL) on social media at/after the introduction of these bodies: Is it so that 'all' youtube'ers have small hands/are plagued with fatigue? Or is it the social media echo chamber kicking in? I don't know, but it seems that small-is-beautiful is a rather strong 'movement' in certain circles. And I am quite sure that it wouldn't take the youtube'ers many seconds to knock down S1RII if it inherited the body of S1/S1R... Edited March 2 by helged 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 2 Share #144 Posted March 2 I honestly think it is just preference. I have smaller hands and also prefer the S cameras, S1 and SL2. That said, the original SL and R9 without the motor drive felt a bit large in my hands. The shutter release was a bit awkwardly placed. But when they moved it down a bit like in the motor drive or in the S cameras, then it felt perfect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 2 Share #145 Posted March 2 (edited) For me, hand hold feel is just one aspect but it will never be a decision factors for me to choose one over the other. If this was the reason to not select S1Rii, then it means s1rii just not good enough for you to began with. I had both S1 and S5, prefer s1 EVF and build but will not chose S1 over S5 for daily use or traveling due to size and weight. The biggest headache I had with panasonic is their menu system but other than Leica and Hasselblad, rest are all the same to me. Once proper setup custom button after extensive use, I don’t really need dive the menu. I preordered s1rii. A few reasons: color, IBIS, handhold high resolution, size weight and reasonable E shutter read out speed and potential better AF. For above reasons I picked it over sl3 and I will keep SL2 for the reason I love Leica: handling and simple menu. Edited March 2 by ZHNL 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted March 3 Share #146 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, ZHNL said: For me, hand hold feel is just one aspect but it will never be a decision factors for me to choose one over the other. If this was the reason to not select S1Rii, then it means s1rii just not good enough for you to began with. I had both S1 and S5, prefer s1 EVF and build but will not chose S1 over S5 for daily use or traveling due to size and weight. The biggest headache I had with panasonic is their menu system but other than Leica and Hasselblad, rest are all the same to me. Once proper setup custom button after extensive use, I don’t really need dive the menu. I preordered s1rii. A few reasons: color, IBIS, handhold high resolution, size weight and reasonable E shutter read out speed and potential better AF. For above reasons I picked it over sl3 and I will keep SL2 for the reason I love Leica: handling and simple menu. So if the layout of the controls and the size of the body is not right the camera “was not good enough for me?” Of course not, that’s why I tried it and reported it’s not for me. The spec sheet is good enough but the handling isn’t (if S5ii body is the same as S1Rii). I can’t imagine the size and weight of S1 vs S5 makes any real difference for travel if you are okay with the handling (the size of the camera fits your hand). It’s 300g difference in weight and the size packs the same. Handling is one of the most important aspects of a camera. 300g is not for me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 3 Share #147 Posted March 3 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, LD_50 said: So if the layout of the controls and the size of the body is not right the camera “was not good enough for me?” Of course not, that’s why I tried it and reported it’s not for me. The spec sheet is good enough but the handling isn’t (if S5ii body is the same as S1Rii). I can’t imagine the size and weight of S1 vs S5 makes any real difference for travel if you are okay with the handling (the size of the camera fits your hand). It’s 300g difference in weight and the size packs the same. Handling is one of the most important aspects of a camera. 300g is not for me. Ok, can’t argue about personal preference. 300g over 750g is 40% difference. Not sure why it is make “no real difference”. I only point this out because this is objective at least I had S5, S1, having Z7,Z8,SL2. My favorite handling was with Z8 but favorite menu system or using was SL2, but I appreciate Z7 and S5 size and weight. But If I have to chose 1, obviously it is not chosen based on handling but a total package. If Z7 offer similar hardware performance as Z8, I’d chose it over z8 for size and weight and take the trade off less handling pleasure of Z8. I clearly stated “for me” in my post to avoid argument on subjective stuff. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trix4ever Posted March 3 Share #148 Posted March 3 Well I need 4xl gloves for my motorbike and my SL, SL-2S and S1r fit me very well. I tried the S5ii and it cramped me up in no time. This is what the market wants, but to me it doesn't even look like a top of the range body. Too small, I will not be buying. YMMV. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarkleshark Posted March 3 Share #149 Posted March 3 Any word on the thickness of the sensor cover glass and how this camera will perform with adapted -especially m mount-- lenses in the corners? thanks 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted March 3 Share #150 Posted March 3 37 minutes ago, sarkleshark said: Any word on the thickness of the sensor cover glass and how this camera will perform with adapted -especially m mount-- lenses in the corners? thanks Expect it to be similar to the other Panasonic cameras. It won’t be designed for M lenses. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 3 Share #151 Posted March 3 On 3/2/2025 at 12:18 AM, LD_50 said: The SL2-S and Z8 are far better ergonomically, They are better for you. Definitely not for me, and possibly not for the vast majority of users, or Panasonic would not have changed from big to small. Remember that you can always add a grip if you feel the need for a bigger body, but you cannot do the other way around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted March 3 Share #152 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Simone_DF said: They are better for you. Definitely not for me, and possibly not for the vast majority of users, or Panasonic would not have changed from big to small. Remember that you can always add a grip if you feel the need for a bigger body, but you cannot do the other way around. Of course it’s for me. But I don’t believe that the trend toward smaller bodies is actually about ergonomics. More likely it’s about marketing. I shoot an M and a Sony RX1. Neither is great ergonomically. The M has no real grip, doesn’t work well with large lenses (limiting focal length) but I accept it because with the tiny lenses I shoot the size of the camera (and the appearance) makes it worth the trade off. This isn’t really arguable because every manufacturer moved away from this ergonomic design, other than for retro nostalgia. The RX1 is small for the sake of being small and the ergonomics are terrible. It’s small enough though that it fits in a pocket, making it worth the trade off. If you design for the average (or some percentile of) hands I don’t think you end up with the layout of something like the S5ii. I could be wrong here of course, in that hands may be smaller than I think they are. We’re talking ergonomics though and the height of the grip on most cameras (sized like S5ii or smaller) is too small for all of the fingers to even fit on the grip. The placement of buttons is such there is no place to rest a thumb, other than on one or more buttons. On the S5ii, there is no way to set up zone focus without using the EVF or rear screen with most L mount lenses, because there’s no space for the screen. Etc etc etc. There’s a reason DSLRs got larger, and the pro models are the largest (even without vertical grip). It’s not because pros have larger hands. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 9 Share #153 Posted March 9 On 3/3/2025 at 7:55 AM, ZHNL said: For me, hand hold feel is just one aspect but it will never be a decision factors for me to choose one over the other. If this was the reason to not select S1Rii, then it means s1rii just not good enough for you to began with. I had both S1 and S5, prefer s1 EVF and build but will not chose S1 over S5 for daily use or traveling due to size and weight. The biggest headache I had with panasonic is their menu system but other than Leica and Hasselblad, rest are all the same to me. Once proper setup custom button after extensive use, I don’t really need dive the menu. I preordered s1rii. A few reasons: color, IBIS, handhold high resolution, size weight and reasonable E shutter read out speed and potential better AF. For above reasons I picked it over sl3 and I will keep SL2 for the reason I love Leica: handling and simple menu. i tried the S1Rii last week, the stabilization is amazing 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 9 Share #154 Posted March 9 (edited) 25 minutes ago, frame-it said: i tried the S1Rii last week, the stabilization is amazing Spent more time to review the camera feature. A few pluses I can think of: that I missed in my post. multi-way LCD, it would be really good for me to use it for photography with similar functionality like Z8 and S1 but with capability to do family selfie during party and event. Customer LUT for photo profile. This will be very useful feature again for me to shoot JPEG for friend and family gather. I like the real dial for shoot mode such as high resolution mode, and S:C/M dial, combine with sigma L glass (aperture, AF/M and function button), almost all control are well laid out for me without going to menu. I also like the way LUMIX separate video and photo feature with combination of tuning dial. Another reason is I take more and more video for my kids sport and ballet event and also be a volunteer for my daughters dancing school videographer. This cameras video feature are superb for my limited ability but wouldn’t mind try those. Its hand hold video is so impressive. no camera is perfect but this one for me is an pretty easy choice given I have a large L Mount glasses available. I almost sell off my L Mount AF glass after get Nikon Z72 and Z8 with a bunch of their pro glasses Nikon’s AF and Noct and plena are reason I will keep them but for travel or photography, I will take L from now on. Hope it lives up to the hyper and I still like it after really use it. finger crossed. Edited March 9 by ZHNL 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 9 Share #155 Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, ZHNL said: Hope it lives up to the hyper and I still like it after really use it. finger crossed. i tried the New Sigma BF as well, really fun to use, Af was good too 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 9 Author Share #156 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, ZHNL said: Spent more time to review the camera feature. A few pluses I can think of: that I missed in my post. multi-way LCD, it would be really good for me to use it for photography with similar functionality like Z8 and S1 but with capability to do family selfie during party and event. Customer LUT for photo profile. This will be very useful feature again for me to shoot JPEG for friend and family gather. I like the real dial for shoot mode such as high resolution mode, and S:C/M dial, combine with sigma L glass (aperture, AF/M and function button), almost all control are well laid out for me without going to menu. I also like the way LUMIX separate video and photo feature with combination of tuning dial. Another reason is I take more and more video for my kids sport and ballet event and also be a volunteer for my daughters dancing school videographer. This cameras video feature are superb for my limited ability but wouldn’t mind try those. Its hand hold video is so impressive. no camera is perfect but this one for me is an pretty easy choice given I have a large L Mount glasses available. I almost sell off my L Mount AF glass after get Nikon Z72 and Z8 with a bunch of their pro glasses Nikon’s AF and Noct and plena are reason I will keep them but for travel or photography, I will take L from now on. Hope it lives up to the hyper and I still like it after really use it. finger crossed. +1. I plan to combine S1RII with SL3, the former for action/family stuff, the other for a little more slow (landscape) photography. Will be interesting to see how they combine wrt colour etc. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 9 Share #157 Posted March 9 5 hours ago, frame-it said: i tried the S1Rii last week, the stabilization is amazing phone pic from CP+ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421233-panasonic-s1-ii-and-s1-iie/?do=findComment&comment=5769479'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 9 Share #158 Posted March 9 (edited) 13 minutes ago, frame-it said: phone pic from CP+ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Can you explain what this shows? (And what is CP+ ?) Edited March 9 by LocalHero1953 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 9 Share #159 Posted March 9 12 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: what is CP+ ? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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