jaapv Posted February 20 Share #41 Posted February 20 Advertisement (gone after registration) Correct but the silicon base is the same for many different brands. It is just an analog measuring device It is the “ toppings” as you call it that make the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuart Richardson Posted February 20 Share #42 Posted February 20 Half the price of the SL3, seemingly better specs than either the SL3 or SL3S, higher resolution than either (with multishot)...sounds like Panasonic took their time and chose a state of the art sensor rather than using a quite old one like Leica did. Of course, specs are not everything and it remains to be seen what the camera is like, but I am confident it will be great. I had the S1 in the past and the SL2 cameras now. I prefer the SL2 series, but I think the S1 was the best non-Leica digital camera I ever used. I suspect that this is going to be a great camera for working pros. Of course, we all have an advantage...since it is L mount we can just enjoy it with our full lens lineup from day one, should we choose to try it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 20 Share #43 Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: Half the price of the SL3, seemingly better specs than either the SL3 or SL3S, higher resolution than either (with multishot)...sounds like Panasonic took their time and chose a state of the art sensor rather than using a quite old one like Leica did. Of course, specs are not everything and it remains to be seen what the camera is like, but I am confident it will be great. I had the S1 in the past and the SL2 cameras now. I prefer the SL2 series, but I think the S1 was the best non-Leica digital camera I ever used. I suspect that this is going to be a great camera for working pros. Of course, we all have an advantage...since it is L mount we can just enjoy it with our full lens lineup from day one, should we choose to try it. L-mount has been a good place to be for a good many years now. Leica, Panasonic, Sigma, Blackmagic (and DJI) all have something different to offer. And that's before you get to the lenses. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted February 21 Share #44 Posted February 21 Leaked image of the S1rII: I guess dark blurry images give more of a "leaked" vibe 🤪 https://www.l-rumors.com/first-leaked-image-of-the-lumix-s1rii/ Allegedly: Multi-Angle-Screen like A9III/A1II Body size about the same of the Lumix S5II (just a tiny bit thicker) Weather-sealed and ventilated RED record button in front of the camera on the corner near the mount red Tally in front and on the back fo the camera 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 21 Share #45 Posted February 21 I have a good idea of the color of Sony, Canon, Nikon, Ricoh, Leica, Fujifilm, Hasselblad, but I have never had a Panasonic camera. Which manufacturer's colors are closest to Panasonic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 21 Author Share #46 Posted February 21 53 minutes ago, Smogg said: I have a good idea of the color of Sony, Canon, Nikon, Ricoh, Leica, Fujifilm, Hasselblad, but I have never had a Panasonic camera. Which manufacturer's colors are closest to Panasonic? Leica... At least when it comes to S1R and SL2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 21 Share #47 Posted February 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Smogg said: I have a good idea of the color of Sony, Canon, Nikon, Ricoh, Leica, Fujifilm, Hasselblad, but I have never had a Panasonic camera. Which manufacturer's colors are closest to Panasonic? They have been a leader in broadcast cameras and tech for ages, so they have a good handle on color. I found the camera natural colors in the S1 to be excellent. Not quite as nice as the SL2, but very nice. Much preferred it to the color I got as default from Fuji, Canon, Sony, Ricoh or Nikon. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted February 21 Share #48 Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Smogg said: I have a good idea of the color of Sony, Canon, Nikon, Ricoh, Leica, Fujifilm, Hasselblad, but I have never had a Panasonic camera. Which manufacturer's colors are closest to Panasonic? And though a part-time user, my M8 is very much in line with Leica too. It has some flavors of the old M8 even imo. (=Kodak) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 21 Share #49 Posted February 21 On 2/20/2025 at 1:24 PM, Geoff C. Bassett said: If true Leica made a big mistake not waiting and using this sensor for the Leica SL3s. The only reason I can see is it obliterating sales of the SL3, as 44mp is "close enough" to 60mp. I don’t know. I’m sure they considered the idea, but there’s also economy of scale to consider. The SL3 sensor is also used on the M11 and the two Qs, it’s more budget friendly for Leica to have 1 sensor for 4 cameras, especially considering that the SL is not as popular as the M and the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 21 Share #50 Posted February 21 On 2/20/2025 at 11:31 AM, jaapv said: Correct but the silicon base is the same for many different brands. It is just an analog measuring device It is the “ toppings” as you call it that make the difference. The toppings make no difference to the electronics driving the sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 21 Share #51 Posted February 21 7 hours ago, Smogg said: I have a good idea of the color of Sony, Canon, Nikon, Ricoh, Leica, Fujifilm, Hasselblad, but I have never had a Panasonic camera. Which manufacturer's colors are closest to Panasonic? I confirm Leica too. The S5II files are similar to the SL2-S. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 21 Share #52 Posted February 21 Did you know that the SL sensor ( and presumably the next SLs as well) has copper circuitry instead of the more common aluminum on the same silicon base? Sensor technology is far more complicated than you assume -and Leica uses bespoke sensors for their top models. And I do think that for instance the presence or absence of a Bayer filter, the absorption of the IR filter, the transmission specification of the Bayer filter, the color transmission of the IR filter coating, , all will influence the processing pipeline. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 21 Share #53 Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, jaapv said: Did you know that the SL sensor ( and presumably the next SLs as well) has copper circuitry instead of the more common aluminum on the same silicon base? Sensor technology is far more complicated than you assume -and Leica uses bespoke sensors for their top models. Interesting, I did not know that. Why would they use different technology in M11 and SL (copper vs. aluminum)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 21 Share #54 Posted February 21 I have no idea what Leica specifies for the M11. The SL information was taken from the BarnackBerekBlog at the introduction of the SL601. Sorry for the extensive edit of my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted February 22 Share #55 Posted February 22 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421233-panasonic-s1-ii-and-s1-iie/?do=findComment&comment=5761818'>More sharing options...
ynp Posted February 22 Share #56 Posted February 22 Looks like an S5, maybe a bit fatter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 22 Share #57 Posted February 22 Leica SL3 has a larger external screen (3.2 vs 3). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted February 22 Share #58 Posted February 22 (edited) Of keen interest to me is if Panasonic was able to evolve their Hybrid PDAF, even further with this model than what we see in the SL3, SL3-S. *See first bullet below. Although to this day, and outside of the headline "Leica's fastest camera ever", seems not many discussing SL3-S hybrid PDAF high performance capabilities for some reason ( or at least from what I've come across so far). BTW, does anyone know or found details which AF L-mount lenses might be capable of supporting AF up to 40 FPS? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 22 by LBJ2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/421233-panasonic-s1-ii-and-s1-iie/?do=findComment&comment=5761834'>More sharing options...
helged Posted February 22 Author Share #59 Posted February 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, LBJ2 said: Of keen interest to me is if Panasonic was able to evolve their Hybrid PDAF, even further with this model than what we see in the SL3, SL3-S. *See first bullet below. Although to this day, and outside of the headline "Leica's fastest camera ever", seems not many discussing SL3-S hybrid PDAF high performance capabilities for some reason ( or at least from what I've come across so far). BTW, does anyone know or found details which AF L-mount lenses might be capable of supporting AF up to 40 FPS? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Re fast-focusing L-mount lenses: Sigma DG DN 70-200 f2.8 and 500 f5.6 are both very quick (as are most of the newest Sigma lenses). Some of the Lumix lenses have also fast focus mechanism(s), like Lumix 50mm f1.4 S and 100mm macro. Whether these and similar lenses are up to 40 fps remains to be seen, but I am more optimistic than the opposite. And certainly, if the current lenses are not up to the task, faster focusing lenses will come... Edited February 22 by helged 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf4eva Posted February 24 Share #60 Posted February 24 Thank God they didn't use that slow 60mpix sensor. This camera finally sounds like a good competitor with L mount. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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