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"Exclusive First specs of the new Lumix S1rII: 44MP, 40fps, 8stops IBIS, price around $3,500

  • New 44 MP “high speed” sensor
  • 40fps in electronic shutter
  • 10fps in mechanical shutter
  • 8 stops image stabilization
  • 1.5 second pre-capture
  • Open-Gate
  • Price around $3,500
  • Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time" 
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19 minutes ago, LBJ2 said:

https://www.l-rumors.com/exclusive-first-specs-of-the-new-lumix-s1rii/

"Exclusive First specs of the new Lumix S1rII: 44MP, 40fps, 8stops IBIS, price around $3,500

  • New 44 MP “high speed” sensor
  • 40fps in electronic shutter
  • 10fps in mechanical shutter
  • 8 stops image stabilization
  • 1.5 second pre-capture
  • Open-Gate
  • Price around $3,500
  • Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time" 

Will be interesting to learn how well continuous AF works, plus sensor read-out time. 

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14 minutes ago, helged said:

Will be interesting to learn how well continuous AF works, plus sensor read-out time. 

For me the 1.5 second pre-capture spec was a big surprise. Hope that turns out to be true. 

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14 hours ago, LBJ2 said:

https://www.l-rumors.com/exclusive-first-specs-of-the-new-lumix-s1rii/

"Exclusive First specs of the new Lumix S1rII: 44MP, 40fps, 8stops IBIS, price around $3,500

  • New 44 MP “high speed” sensor
  • 40fps in electronic shutter
  • 10fps in mechanical shutter
  • 8 stops image stabilization
  • 1.5 second pre-capture
  • Open-Gate
  • Price around $3,500
  • Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time" 

If true Leica made a big mistake not waiting and using this sensor for the Leica SL3s. The only reason I can see is it obliterating sales of the SL3, as 44mp is "close enough" to 60mp. 

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vor 14 Stunden schrieb helged:

Will be interesting to learn how well continuous AF works, plus sensor read-out time. 

this must be Sony‘s new IMX366 Sensor - first camera to use this, great.

so read out time will be nearly the same as SL2-S/SL3-S; BSI, not stacked 

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15 hours ago, LBJ2 said:

https://www.l-rumors.com/exclusive-first-specs-of-the-new-lumix-s1rii/

"Exclusive First specs of the new Lumix S1rII: 44MP, 40fps, 8stops IBIS, price around $3,500

  • New 44 MP “high speed” sensor
  • 40fps in electronic shutter
  • 10fps in mechanical shutter
  • 8 stops image stabilization
  • 1.5 second pre-capture
  • Open-Gate
  • Price around $3,500
  • Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time" 

A few more specs added to the list:  https://www.l-rumors.com/stunning-lumix-s1rii-will-be-able-to-shoot-81k-open-gate-and-also-can-take-176-mp-high-resolution-images-handheld/

  • New 44 MP “high speed” sensor
  • 40fps in electronic shutter
  • 10fps in mechanical shutter
  • 8 stops image stabilization
  • 176 MP High Res with sensor shift…handheld(!) and by combining 8 images.
  • 1.5 second pre-capture
  • 8k30p
  • 4K120 without crop
  • 8,1K Open-Gate will be released later with a Firmware Update
  • Price around $3,500
  • Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time
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but...but....but....surely this can't be true? We* all know that the S1rii is just a repackaged SL3, don't we?.....don't we? Or, since Leica is incapable of designing its own products, Panasonic allowed Leica to launch its own rebadged S1rii first. How can this be true? 

 

 

*The greatest minds, business managers and product engineers in the forum.

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1 hour ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

If true Leica made a big mistake not waiting and using this sensor for the Leica SL3s. The only reason I can see is it obliterating sales of the SL3, as 44mp is "close enough" to 60mp. 

Had they waited, people would say they made a big mistake by not having a new camera to sell for the past year.

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2 hours ago, MediaFotografie said:

this must be Sony‘s new IMX366 Sensor - first camera to use this, great.

so read out time will be nearly the same as SL2-S/SL3-S; BSI, not stacked 

It will be a much faster readout compared to the SL2s/SL3s if it's using that sensor. Full Frame 4K 120 fps vs  4K 30p

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb Geoff C. Bassett:

It will be a much faster readout compared to the SL2s/SL3s if it's using that sensor. Full Frame 4K 120 fps vs  4K 30p

we will see; what I mean: here

https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/is/camera/index.html

we get the data sheets, and IMX366 (44MP) and IMX 410 (24MP) are nearly the same (approx. 20fps in Readout Mode 0).

IMX 366 has twice the data lanes (16) and twice the pixel count than IMX 410, which may result in the same readout time.

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16 minutes ago, MediaFotografie said:

we will see; what I mean: here

https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/is/camera/index.html

we get the data sheets, and IMX366 (44MP) and IMX 410 (24MP) are nearly the same (approx. 20fps in Readout Mode 0).

IMX 366 has twice the data lanes (16) and twice the pixel count than IMX 410, which may result in the same readout time.

IMX 366 has a 12-bit readout mode at 8192 x 4320 (8K) at 60 fps  (mode 12, full sensor width).     It also has a mode 4 that does 4K at 120 fps (unclear on full sensor or not) 

IMX410  max full sensor width is 6064 x 4040 (6K) at 40.58 (mode 2) - The fastest camera that uses the sensor full width is the BM PYXIS which maxes out at 48 fps in 16x9. And the fastest it can go in 4K according to the specs is 97 fps (mode 5)

The IMX 366 is a much faster sensor. 



 

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12 minutes ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

IMX 366 has a 12-bit readout mode at 8192 x 4320 (8K) at 60 fps  (mode 12, full sensor width).     It also has a mode 4 that does 4K at 120 fps (unclear on full sensor or not) 

IMX410  max full sensor width is 6064 x 4040 (6K) at 40.58 (mode 2) - The fastest camera that uses the sensor full width is the BM PYXIS which maxes out at 48 fps in 16x9. And the fastest it can go in 4K according to the specs is 97 fps (mode 5)

The IMX 366 is a much faster sensor. 

From a novice regarding this issue...: Is it possible to guestimate the readout time of the IMX366AJK sensor? 

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43 minutes ago, helged said:

From a novice regarding this issue...: Is it possible to guestimate the readout time of the IMX366AJK sensor? 

If I had to guess probably almost the exact same as the Nikon Z8 because the specs are so similar. 

8K ~14ms
4K ~5ms (if the 4K 120p is full width of the sensor, and if the 4K option doesn't just down sample from the 8K mode at 24-60 fps)

I am actually most excited for the Readout mode 18:  2728 x 1818 at 140 fps would be full sensor open gate with a 4ms readout!

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Let's wait for a full announcement and look at the camera's exterior, UI and ergonomics. It is possible that after it the new Panasonic will not look so discouraging for owners of the new SL3/SL3-S.

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2 hours ago, MediaFotografie said:

we will see; what I mean: here

https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/is/camera/index.html

we get the data sheets, and IMX366 (44MP) and IMX 410 (24MP) are nearly the same (approx. 20fps in Readout Mode 0).

IMX 366 has twice the data lanes (16) and twice the pixel count than IMX 410, which may result in the same readout time.

 

56 minutes ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

If I had to guess probably almost the exact same as the Nikon Z8 because the specs are so similar. 

8K ~14ms
4K ~5ms (if the 4K 120p is full width of the sensor, and if the 4K option doesn't just down sample from the 8K mode at 24-60 fps)

I am actually most excited for the Readout mode 18:  2728 x 1818 at 140 fps would be full sensor open gate with a 4ms readout!

I've always been interested to know if there were some catalog specs to estimate potential sensor scan/readout speed. I suppose specific camera operations/firmware "might" have something to do with the final result as well ( but I don't know) Thanks to the both of you for posting some thoughts on this for the IMX366 (44MP)

FWIW and for those that may not have seen this DB. Some might find this project/result an interesting reference for the cameras tested to date. I participated in this project, contributing the M11 and SL2 data and have been waiting for someone to submit data for the SL3 and now the SL3-S--*Both models can probably be guesstimated based upon other same/similar sensor camera model data already submitted to this DB:

https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/

Description of the project "Compilation of rolling shutter camera sensor readout speed measurements for various cameras, plus the technique and tools used to generate it"

https://github.com/horshack-dpreview/RollingShutter

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5 hours ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

If true Leica made a big mistake not waiting and using this sensor for the Leica SL3s. The only reason I can see is it obliterating sales of the SL3, as 44mp is "close enough" to 60mp. 

It would be strange for SL3 to use a sensor different from M11 or Q3.

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A PDAF sensor is  by definition a different sensor. And an M sensor has a special microlenses array that makes it different from any other sensor. 

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There is nothing stopping Leica from releasing the SL3-C (cinema) in a year with the same sensor as Panasonic, then it will have time to jump on the last carriage of the departing train.

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1 hour ago, jaapv said:

A PDAF sensor is  by definition a different sensor. And an M sensor has a special microlenses array that makes it different from any other sensor. 

The electronics surrounding are the same. Only the toppings differ.

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