Firmware 2.2.2

[LocalHero1953]

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53 minutes ago, colonel said:

nothing has changed. the bogus polls that were run during brexit are still being run

 

We can all see the data on the page I linked to. You're welcome to your views.

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[LocalHero1953]

11 minutes ago, kiwidad said:

EU thinks they rule the world! They try through trade to enforce agendas no one else wants! Move there soon and enjoy those good times!

Indeed. Just like the USA.

But there's another thread for that and frankly, I'd rather discuss firmware.

[justj]

On 5/9/2025 at 3:30 PM, LeicaGuyUK said:

No magenta cast fix then? I am joking of course

I see no magenta cast using my M11p safari with the new firmware. I was expecting to see it somewhere as I have seen so many examples over the years but I have failed to notice any magenta cast on all the photos I took so far. It's a nice surprise to say the least.

[elmars]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb justj:

I see no magenta cast using my M11p safari with the new firmware.

I think nothing has changed. Here one photo taken with the M11. The only difference is the tint, which I set to neutral in the second image with the pipette.

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[justj]

2 hours ago, elmars said:

I think nothing has changed. Here one photo taken with the M11. The only difference is the tint, which I set to neutral in the second image with the pipette.

To my untrained eyes it looks acceptable, and then I did a side by side comparison with other cameras. 

But a quick auto WB in LR corrected it.

[elmars]

I asked Leica: No changes at white balance. 

[Smogg]

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17 minutes ago, elmars said:

I asked Leica: No changes at white balance. 

I don't understand why this is happening. Let's say Leica made a gross technical error and released the M11 with a distorted color (magenta cast). But they know how to fix it and do it to those who send cameras to Germany. Then why are the M11-P, Safari and other special versions also released knowingly defective? Because the fix costs a lot of money and Leica does not want to bear the additional costs? If so, this is terrible for the reputation of the premium camera manufacturer. First fatal errors with the firmware, and then a public poker face with the continued release of purple cameras.

[justj]

46 minutes ago, Smogg said:

I don't understand why this is happening. Let's say Leica made a gross technical error and released the M11 with a distorted color (magenta cast). But they know how to fix it and do it to those who send cameras to Germany. Then why are the M11-P, Safari and other special versions also released knowingly defective? Because the fix costs a lot of money and Leica does not want to bear the additional costs? If so, this is terrible for the reputation of the premium camera manufacturer. First fatal errors with the firmware, and then a public poker face with the continued release of purple cameras.

In Sony camera you can fine tune AWB. Maybe Leica should add the same function so that user can adjust magenta to the left a little bit. 

[lct]

Glad Leica did not change anything re colors. The M11 is the first camera i use regularly in jpeg mode since the Digilux 1 of my avatar 20+ years ago. Good work, thank you Leica 👍

[J.C.T.]

3 hours ago, lct said:

Glad Leica did not change anything re colors. The M11 is the first camera i use regularly in jpeg mode since the Digilux 1 of my avatar 20+ years ago. Good work, thank you Leica 👍

Absolutely. People spend too much time fussing about postproduction and too little time on pre production. The M11 can produce outstanding jpeg images. 

[BernardC]

On 5/12/2025 at 11:16 AM, kiwidad said:

EU thinks they rule the world! They try through trade to enforce agendas no one else wants! Move there soon and enjoy those good times!

Trading standards predate the EU by thousands of years. They are markers of civilization: coins, weights and measures, touchstones, etc.

Q: "why did Leica apply this vampire-draw measure to existing products?" 

A: They have to deploy this change to future products, so they are working on it anyway. They probably found that it was a trivial change that could be applied to current cameras. The logical thing to do is to merge the code into the common branch. It's cheaper to do that than the alternative: maintain/manage two branches of code that serve the same purpose and are interchangeable. An added bonus it that it could extend the life of M11 firmware.

[LeicaGuyUK]

14 hours ago, justj said:

I see no magenta cast using my M11p safari with the new firmware. I was expecting to see it somewhere as I have seen so many examples over the years but I have failed to notice any magenta cast on all the photos I took so far. It's a nice surprise to say the least.

It seems that some have it more than others. It doesnt bother me, i have spent some time over the few months of owning one creating some presets in lightroom so that when i import now i just apply those and all is looking good

[kiwidad]

5 hours ago, BernardC said:

Trading standards predate the EU by thousands of years. They are markers of civilization: coins, weights and measures, touchstones, etc.

Q: "why did Leica apply this vampire-draw measure to existing products?" 

A: They have to deploy this change to future products, so they are working on it anyway. They probably found that it was a trivial change that could be applied to current cameras. The logical thing to do is to merge the code into the common branch. It's cheaper to do that than the alternative: maintain/manage two branches of code that serve the same purpose and are interchangeable. An added bonus it that it could extend the life of M11 firmware.

What the EU does far exceeds trading standards!

getting back to firmware, Perhaps but retroactive standards can spell trouble on hardware not designed for it!

[hdmesa]

11 hours ago, justj said:

In Sony camera you can fine tune AWB. Maybe Leica should add the same function so that user can adjust magenta to the left a little bit. 

Many of us have been asking for this for a long time. It’s a major feature addition that would be welcomed by those that want to use it and could be ignored by those who don’t.

[elmars]

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Smogg:

Leica made a gross technical error and released the M11 with a distorted color

This is not a technical error, it's a question of taste. If you don't like it (which is the case for me), you can have the camera calibrated differently - just as you can have the light meter calibrated differently if you prefer brighter or darker images.

[Tseg]

For me, it is like purple fringing.  I only notice it (where it bothers me, thanks to the relentless comments in this forum) with certain types of sky with clouds shots and I can adjust the output in post.

Of course I spent extra to by the nice new Leica lenses that don’t produce purple fringing.

[THEME]

Amazing EU bureaucrats, micro-finetuning non-issues, I mean, what difference does this make, we're talking rechargeable batteries...

[BernardC]

6 hours ago, THEME said:

what difference does this make, we're talking rechargeable batteries...

It makes a difference when you scale it up to the EU. If we use a very conservative estimate of two devices affected per person, which isn't much when you consider the number of phones, televisions, microwaves, gaming consoles, wifi routers, etc., and an average saving of 1W, you get a gigawatt. A more realistic estimate would be several times bigger (more devices, more power savings).

Gigawatts are not rounding errors, even when scaled to the EU.

Back to the firmware update: that part is nothing to get worked-up about. Devices have to comply with many regulations, all over the world. Look underneath any electronic device and you'll see a list of such regulations that it complies with. Leica found that they could comply with this one in advance, so they did.

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[SrMi]

One thing to consider is that firmware descriptions never list all the bugs fixed in that firmware. Therefore, I typically update even if the firmware description does not provide an incentive.

[THEME]

13 hours ago, BernardC said:

It makes a difference when you scale it up to the EU. If we use a very conservative estimate of two devices affected per person, which isn't much when you consider the number of phones, televisions, microwaves, gaming consoles, wifi routers, etc., and an average saving of 1W, you get a gigawatt. A more realistic estimate would be several times bigger (more devices, more power savings).

Gigawatts are not rounding errors, even when scaled to the EU.

Back to the firmware update: that part is nothing to get worked-up about. Devices have to comply with many regulations, all over the world. Look underneath any electronic device and you'll see a list of such regulations that it complies with. Leica found that they could comply with this one in advance, so they did.

Your response is spot-on – my point was more like that the EU has so many much bigger fish to fry.

Given the camera’s primary energy use is during active shooting and not standby, the energy savings are mostly relevant when the device is on standby.

The energy savings from meeting the EU eco-standards come from reducing power draw during the long periods when the camera is off, which can add up over time. However, this standby power is very low to begin with, often less than a watt, and so the absolute energy saved per camera is quite small.

The Leica M11’s compliance with the regulations saves approximately 1.79 kWh per year per camera, translating to €0.45 in energy costs and 0.54 kg of CO₂ annually for a heavy user who charges the battery a few times a week. Who does? The savings are trivial, equivalent to brewing a few cups of coffee less per year. But it's something!

Leica M11 cameras are premium, low-volume products. Even if 10,000 units comply, total savings are 10,000 × 1.7885 kWh = 17,885 kWh, or ~5,366 kg CO₂. This is a drop in the bucket compared to the EU’s 2.4 billion tons of CO₂ emissions annually.

The accumulative effect of course is quite interesting and not pointless at all. Across millions of electronic devices (4 billion in the EU in 2020, per the Ecodesign Impact Accounting Report), small per-device savings add up. The regulation targets a broad range of products, not just cameras, and standby modes collectively account for significant energy use (e.g., 23 trillion hours annually across EU devices).

The question of course is if these regulations might affect camera performance.

Edited May 15 by THEME