lct Posted May 11 Share #41 Posted May 11 Advertisement (gone after registration) 36 minutes ago, vha said: shortly summarised a tessar lens design, compact enough, rigid so it does not harm the shutter of my M10M, and enough eye candy so buy it. I like much my Elmar-M 50/2.8 but i wonder if your project could compete with the tiny Skopar 50/2.2 and its 0.5m MFD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vha Posted May 11 Share #42 Posted May 11 I assume the 50mm skopar 2.2 would be a much modern design, 7 elements in 6 groups could be either a double gauss, or thereabout, on paper it should have a better performance and a different signatur than a tessar. Think the tessar would have a more pleasant defocus and be at least 2.8 or 3.5. A. Both fun to have, but the colour skopar can be purchased new in box, to a competitive price. Thanks for the reminder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted May 11 Share #43 Posted May 11 Given the latest Noctilux rumor which shows a lens with a depth of field scale of a 40mm lens ( despite the leak headline being for a 35/1.2 lens ), maybe we could also see a new variant of the extremely compact 40mm Summicron ( from the original CL ). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted May 11 Share #44 Posted May 11 Could I have a Canon 28mm f/2.8 LTM in M-mount, please? Nickel plated option as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted May 12 Share #45 Posted May 12 11 hours ago, FrozenInTime said: Given the latest Noctilux rumor which shows a lens with a depth of field scale of a 40mm lens ( despite the leak headline being for a 35/1.2 lens ), maybe we could also see a new variant of the extremely compact 40mm Summicron ( from the original CL ). I like the 40mm focal length, from my time with SLRs. A Re-Edition of the Summicron 40mm would get my attention. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 12 Share #46 Posted May 12 (edited) On 5/11/2025 at 11:51 AM, vha said: I would like to have a 50mm tessar lens in a rigid housing (or non collapsable if you like) Yes, since Leica for sure is shy about the usage of collapsible lenses on digital bodies, a small non-collapsible 3.5/50mm might look attractive. The last version of the 3.5/50mm Tessar for the Zeiss Ikon Contax was such a lens. Though it was not very popular during it's time as everybody wanted a Sonnar... and it's not frequent today and accordingly more expensive than contemporary Sonnars. Here with an Amedeo-Adapter on an M10: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! On 5/11/2025 at 11:51 AM, vha said: As fare as i know the internet is yet not done arguing if elmar equals a true tessar, because of the iris placement Well, the internet might have a look on the following comparison of a 1:3.5/50mm Elmar with M mount and a 1:3.5/50mm Tessar for the Contax with Amedeo adapter. For both Liveview and focus-peaking was used to check if the rangefinder focus was right. Besides crop no other changes. First an overview of the whole field of view with both lenses at f/3.5. Tessar: Elmar: Perhaps you may see a little more overall contrast from the Tessar. As the position of the aperture plays no role with a fully opened lens, it's just the glass or the coating which makes the difference. The Tessar seems to have some barrel distortion which gives a slightly larger field of view (real focal length may be shorter). The Elmar shows no distortion. Edited May 12 by UliWer 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Well, the internet might have a look on the following comparison of a 1:3.5/50mm Elmar with M mount and a 1:3.5/50mm Tessar for the Contax with Amedeo adapter. For both Liveview and focus-peaking was used to check if the rangefinder focus was right. Besides crop no other changes. First an overview of the whole field of view with both lenses at f/3.5. Tessar: Elmar: Perhaps you may see a little more overall contrast from the Tessar. As the position of the aperture plays no role with a fully opened lens, it's just the glass or the coating which makes the difference. The Tessar seems to have some barrel distortion which gives a slightly larger field of view (real focal length may be shorter). The Elmar shows no distortion. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/420794-which-lens-from-history-would-you-like-to-see-remade/?do=findComment&comment=5800993'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 12 Share #47 Posted May 12 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Now strong crop from the Center with both lenses at f/3.5: Tessar Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Elmar: Again there is slightly more color contrast from the Tessar. When it comes to resolution I don't see any difference. Now left corner with both lenses at f/3.5: Tessar Elmar: Same impression as for the center crop - of course both lenses don't show good corner performance. Edited May 12 by UliWer 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Elmar: Again there is slightly more color contrast from the Tessar. When it comes to resolution I don't see any difference. Now left corner with both lenses at f/3.5: Tessar Elmar: Same impression as for the center crop - of course both lenses don't show good corner performance. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/420794-which-lens-from-history-would-you-like-to-see-remade/?do=findComment&comment=5800996'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 12 Share #48 Posted May 12 (edited) Now both lenses at f/5.6, if the aperture's position makes any difference, you should notice it here: Center crop Tessar f/5.6 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Center crop Elmar at f/5.6: I see a little bit more "crispness" from the Elmar thoiugh the difference is negligable. Now crop of left corner at f/5.6: Tessar Elmar: Perhaps now the Tessar looks a little bit "sharper", though again the difference is very, very slight. So I shouldn't expect much from a different position of the aperture. Of course modern glass would make a big difference as we already have seen from the Elmar-M During the 30s Zeiss made experiments with aspherical glasses for a Tessar. They weren't successful. Today this might be completely different. Edited May 12 by UliWer 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Center crop Elmar at f/5.6: I see a little bit more "crispness" from the Elmar thoiugh the difference is negligable. Now crop of left corner at f/5.6: Tessar Elmar: Perhaps now the Tessar looks a little bit "sharper", though again the difference is very, very slight. So I shouldn't expect much from a different position of the aperture. Of course modern glass would make a big difference as we already have seen from the Elmar-M During the 30s Zeiss made experiments with aspherical glasses for a Tessar. They weren't successful. Today this might be completely different. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/420794-which-lens-from-history-would-you-like-to-see-remade/?do=findComment&comment=5801003'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 12 Share #49 Posted May 12 (edited) Interesting comparision : further evidence that the old simplicistic historical comparision Leica vs. Contax ("Contax had mechanical oddities, but lenses were up to or even better than Leica's") tells basically the truth. About the possibility of another "vintage" re-edition by Leica... the problem is that it MUST be costly 😁 so I fear there is no space for a 50 3,5 or 2,5 (Hektor retractable ?) ... I suspect that the "operation Summaron 28" has ended in a net loss., though being a rather simple making... Summarex 85 could be an idea (but I won't buy 😗) Edited May 12 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted May 12 Share #50 Posted May 12 Rigid Summar? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 13 Share #51 Posted May 13 The rigid Summar - as long as there is no interchangabe 3.5/5cm Anastigmat - is perhaps the only lens I‘d consider if there was a remake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 13 Share #52 Posted May 13 14 hours ago, Ecar said: Rigid Summar? Voigtlander got part-way there a while back with their 50mm f2.0 Rigid Heliar. I've never tried one so don't know how its rendering compares with the Summar but, physically, it was rather sweet. Philip. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted May 13 Share #53 Posted May 13 How about a Compur rim-set lens - could be interesting to play with multiple exposures and daylight balance flash. https://classic.leica-camera.com/en/Leica-Summicron-50mm-f-2-Compur/SH001-1152104 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/420794-which-lens-from-history-would-you-like-to-see-remade/?do=findComment&comment=5801379'>More sharing options...
Ecar Posted May 13 Share #54 Posted May 13 1 hour ago, pippy said: Voigtlander got part-way there a while back with their 50mm f2.0 Rigid Heliar. I've never tried one so don't know how its rendering compares with the Summar but, physically, it was rather sweet. Philip. Yes. A nice looking lens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! But it doesn't render like the Summar... I'm pretty sure a single coated Rigid Summar remake in either chrome or black paint (or both) would sell well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! But it doesn't render like the Summar... I'm pretty sure a single coated Rigid Summar remake in either chrome or black paint (or both) would sell well. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/420794-which-lens-from-history-would-you-like-to-see-remade/?do=findComment&comment=5801415'>More sharing options...
vha Posted May 13 Share #55 Posted May 13 Forgot about the amadeo adapter for a few minutes, have tried it for a few hours with my 50mm Nikkor 1.4, or millennium nikkor if you like. Speaking of, a modern 50mm nikkor for leica M, that would have been fun, and probably expensive as well. The need of it on the other hand when you have sonnar and double gauss lenses around? I leave the nitpicking to someone else meanwhile make do with my 60s SP. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 13 Share #56 Posted May 13 (edited) 13 hours ago, pippy said: Voigtlander got part-way there a while back with their 50mm f2.0 Rigid Heliar. I've never tried one so don't know how its rendering compares with the Summar... 12 hours ago, Ecar said: Yes. A nice looking lens......But it doesn't render like the Summar... I sort-of guessed that you would have an example! When are you next in London?......😸...... But No! I definitely do NOT need another 50 (and, in any case, my completely trashed Summar renders more like a Thambar these days).... Philip. Edited May 13 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vha Posted May 24 Share #57 Posted May 24 On 5/14/2025 at 1:44 AM, pippy said: But No! I definitely do NOT need another 50 (and, in any case, my completely trashed Summar renders more like a Thambar these days).... Philip. From what I learned ages ago back on RFF, you could not have too many 50s, there is always a reason At least a 50 for each system you have, then a vintage, triplet, tessar, planar, sonnar, and if you have those, a asph needs to follow. And before you know it, your up at night wondering if a 5cm unar would be a sensible choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 24 Share #58 Posted May 24 38 minutes ago, vha said: From what I learned ages ago back on RFF, you could not have too many 50s, there is always a reason Funny i don't count my 50s anymore but i still miss a 50/1.4 as compact as a Nokton or a Sonnar with less color fringing than the former and less focus shift than the latter. All suggestions are welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted May 25 Share #59 Posted May 25 Relatively modern history, but I’d like the MATE back with any enhancements that modern glass and coatings might give - and while we’re being greedy, f2.0. 🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted October 17 Share #60 Posted October 17 I'm still thinking, to highlight the versatility of the M-EV and the break away from 28/35/50/75/90/135 frame lines, Leica should launch new lenses to encourage sales of the new body : 40/1.4* and 66/2 ( the work is already done, and the latter a re-issue of.a super rare ELCAN M lens ). *maybe even getting another half stop out of it ? The Hugo cine lenses were derived from M Summilux lenses, then a second phase filled out the line ; what is to stop them feeding new optic design effort back into the M photo system. "Leitz Cine quietly expanded its HUGO series this week with the announcement of a brand new 40mm T1.5 lens. Revealed on August 25, the addition rounds the set out to a total of 14 focal lengths spanning 18mm through 135mm." "The HUGO series quickly grabbed attention among cinematographers for the pleasing rendering they impart on the image and as more robust build than the M 0.8 primes that they replaced. Much of the glass in the series comes from Leica M rangefinder optics, known for their signature character and natural falloff toward the edges. While Leica does not currently make a 40mm in their M line, this lens was developed with support from Leica Camera designers to ensure it matched the spirit of the series" "The 66 mm T2.1 stands out as the most unique of the three new lenses. Its design is based on the “spy lens” created by Leica lens designer Walter Mandler during the Cold War for the US Navy. Originally built for ultra-high-resolution imaging and never meant for public use, only around 200 of these lenses were ever produced. Now, with some slight modern modifications, Leitz has revived this historic optic, giving it a new home in the HUGO II series. Although it was considered incredibly sharp in its day, this lens seamlessly matches the character and performance of the other HUGO lenses, blending history with modern cinematography needs." https://thecinelens.com/2025/08/28/leitz-expands-hugo-line-adds-40mm-t1-5/ https://thecinelens.com/2024/09/09/leitz-cine-expands-hugo-line/ 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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