pgh Posted March 14 Share #21 Posted March 14 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica is absolutely to blame - they have chosen to not communicate transparently about the issue. Whatever the supply chain problems (or not, as the rumor is there were manufacturing defects) - they have been dead quiet on an issue that is important to a large part of their customer base. That is a choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted March 14 Share #22 Posted March 14 Manufacturing defects is quite possible - being unable to plan pre-stock and losing a whole batch would explain why this is the only model to be affected. Ordering replacement batteries is likely to be a long drawn-out process, especially if you cannot order millions. It must be fitted into the production planning. Have it your way - although it is singularly unproductive. I doubt whether many other firms would behave differently. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted March 14 Share #23 Posted March 14 36 minutes ago, pgh said: Leica is absolutely to blame - they have chosen to not communicate transparently about the issue. Whatever the supply chain problems (or not, as the rumor is there were manufacturing defects) - they have been dead quiet on an issue that is important to a large part of their customer base. That is a choice. I sympathise with your frustration and all the other complaints seem to be from North America. This is obviously an important market for Leica so they should be addressing the issue, but it doesn’t seem to affect Europe, hence no outrage here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted March 14 Share #24 Posted March 14 I posted this from Zachary Wolf at Leica, USA once before. I believe they are dong the best they can and the current occupant of The White House is not mailing things easier. “To my knowledge there is a production issue overseas which is being addressed as quickly as possible.” 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Posted March 14 Share #25 Posted March 14 vor 1 Stunde schrieb pgh: Leica is absolutely to blame - they have chosen to not communicate transparently about the issue. Whatever the supply chain problems (or not, as the rumor is there were manufacturing defects) - they have been dead quiet on an issue that is important to a large part of their customer base. That is a choice. Not if customers histerically buy what is available, which I would think the case is. I'm pretty sure there is no real production issue, more or less a supply or shipping issue overseas (which would be mainly North America). In addition, as already mentioned, those batteries are not produced continuosly, they are produced in lots, maybe every quarter or even less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Posted March 14 Share #26 Posted March 14 vor 2 Stunden schrieb jaapv: There are indications that Leica is getting to grips with repair time problems - slowly. The upgrading of the USA repair facility is starting to take effect. Exactly, there is already some relief, also in Germany. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted March 14 Share #27 Posted March 14 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 hours ago, rsh said: I posted this from Zachary Wolf at Leica, USA once before. I believe they are dong the best they can and the current occupant of The White House is not mailing things easier. “To my knowledge there is a production issue overseas which is being addressed as quickly as possible.” I failed to notice that I wrote not mailing things easier instead of not making things easier. Apologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 15 Share #28 Posted March 15 20 hours ago, Al Brown said: Really a lot has been written on the subject of M10 batteries here on LUF. A simple search and all the answers will be given. To summarize: USA (5% of world population) has M10 battery shortages, Leica is aware and says it is temporary (although already a year now). The last M10-R in black paint shipped out in 2021 so there should be new spare batteries available at least 5 years after that. I wonder why everybody is writing about the matter here and nobody is writing to Leica direct. If enough people wrote maybe they would do something about the USA problem. Writing to Leica is fine but I doubt whether it would speed things up, as I am sure that Leica is well aware of the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappan Posted March 15 Share #29 Posted March 15 Anybody know the life expectancy of a regularly used spare M10 battery (let's say used twice a week since it is in a rotation of 5)? Thanks, Mark) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted March 15 Share #30 Posted March 15 (edited) "Why No Outrage Over the M10 Battery?" Because I have fourteen (14) M10 batteries, that's why. Edited March 15 by patrickcolpron I bought them all that's why no one else can have any!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappan Posted March 15 Share #31 Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, patrickcolpron said: "Why No Outrage Over the M10 Battery?" Because I have fourteen (14) M10 batteries, that's why. LOVE your videos, Patrick! Mark from Boston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 15 Share #32 Posted March 15 My oldest functional batteries for Leica M cameras are the original M 8 ones from 2006… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappan Posted March 15 Share #33 Posted March 15 55 minutes ago, jaapv said: My oldest functional batteries for Leica M cameras are the original M 8 ones from 2006… Sounds like you treated them with respect! Bravo. That is a lot of mileage. Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted March 15 Share #34 Posted March 15 vor 2 Stunden schrieb tappan: Anybody know the life expectancy of a regularly used spare M10 battery (let's say used twice a week since it is in a rotation of 5)? My oldest battery for the M10 was produced in the 39th week 2016. It‘s still running without problems together with two siblings from 2017 and 2019 regularly used in an M10 and M10 Monochrom body. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 15 Share #35 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, tappan said: Sounds like you treated them with respect! Bravo. That is a lot of mileage. Mark Not really, just used them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted March 15 Share #36 Posted March 15 I didn‘t even use mine. The cameras did. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 15 Share #37 Posted March 15 Just curious how others keep track of battery purchase date, etc, particularly when multiple cameras/batteries or in rotation. By serial number, by marking battery individually, other methods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted March 15 Share #38 Posted March 15 6 hours ago, tappan said: LOVE your videos, Patrick! Mark from Boston Thank you Mark, greatly appreciated 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted March 15 Share #39 Posted March 15 26 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Just curious how others keep track of battery purchase date, etc, particularly when multiple cameras/batteries or in rotation. By serial number, by marking battery individually, other methods? Dk about the BP-SCL5 but the BP-SCL2 (M240-family) have easily-interpreted date codes. I've got 4 (SCL2) dated 2013. 2 came with my 2 second-hand bodies and 2 I bought second-hand, so I've no clue how many cycles they've been through or how they were stored prior to me but they all register 100% in-camera when fully charged and seem to last several days (I almost never use LV, EVF and always keep auto-review set to "off"... and the SCL2 has documented greater capacity than the SCL5...but does allow the M10 to be a couple mm's thinner). I also have 3 bought new dated 2021. All my batteries I check every 6 mos and pop them in the charger until the moment the orange 80% light goes on. Also mine I scribed with Roman numerals just to be able to identify if one starts to act-up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 15 Share #40 Posted March 15 55 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Just curious how others keep track of battery purchase date, etc, particularly when multiple cameras/batteries or in rotation. By serial number, by marking battery individually, other methods? I always mark my batteries to keep track when rotating, so I know the approximate purchase dates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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