Lightroom Classic Guided Upright tool Not Working with Leica DNG files

[Chris Draughon]

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I am using the Lightroom Classic v 14.2 on a Mac. I noticed the Guided Upright tool found in the Transform panel is not working correctly on my Leica DNG files. Instead of allowing me to use my cursor to create the guide, Lr immediately added four guides to the image, one on each side along the perimeter. The tool works fine on other camera RAW files and those files converted to DNG upon import. Is this a known issue? Are others experiencing this?

[Dazzajl]

I've just tried DNG files from an SL and a M246 in Classic 14.2 and it works as it should for me. Sorry, I know that only adds to your mystery.

[PhotoCruiser]

MacBook Pro 14 and 16 both with MacOS 15.3.1
Lightroom Classic 14.2 Camera Raw 17.2
SL2 

No it does not what you describe, when i click on guidelines (or what its called en English) the i get the crosshair cursor to pull them.
Same as if i choose the Upright on the list on the Menu.
Have you tried to click on the guidelines icon upper right side of the Transform Panel?

What camera are the DNG Files from?
What Mac and what MacOS?

Chris

 

[Chris Draughon]

Thank you for the replies. I am using MacOS v 15.3.1 and LR Classic 14.2. The DNG files are from my M11. Yes, if I select the Guided icon on the top right of the Transform panel, or the Guided Upright icon on the top left, the same response occurs. However, the tool works correctly on my Sony A7R5 files or any files from other cameras. Note in the example image how the Guided Upright and Guided icons are in use and the guides are along the perimeter of the image in the workspace.

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[Tellerrand]

This is the Perspective Control of your Leica M11. The correction values are embedded in the DNG, even if the PC of the M11 is switched off. Just right click (on Windows 😉) on one of the guide lines and choose reset if you don't want the PC correction and set your own guide lines. Works as intended... 😁

Edited March 1 by Tellerrand

[Chris Draughon]

Wow, what a rabbit hole that could have been! WTH does Leica imbed PC even if it's turned off? Thank you! Worked the same on a Mac - right click on one of the guides then Reset.

[LocalHero1953]

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Yes, it happens to me on a Windows PC with SL2-S and Q3 43 files, and I don't use perspective control. I assumed it was an irritating change in Lightroom following an update. It's a PITA because if you crop before straightening, the default guidelines are inaccessible. I shall try resetting as suggested.

[Tellerrand]

It's the same behavior for my M10-M/R. I take it as a suggestion for the Upright correction, but in 85 - 90% of my pictures I prefer the LR's Upright "Auto" or manual correction. IMHO the Perspective Control feature from Leica is highly overrated...

Edited March 1 by Tellerrand

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Yes, it happens to me on a Windows PC with SL2-S and Q3 43 files, and I don't use perspective control. I assumed it was an irritating change in Lightroom following an update. It's a PITA because if you crop before straightening, the default guidelines are inaccessible. I shall try resetting as suggested.

After the crop, you will see the guidelines if you zoom out enough.

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, Tellerrand said:

It's the same behavior for my M10-M/R. I take it as a suggestion for the Upright correction, but in 85 - 90% of my pictures I prefer the LR's Upright "Auto" or manual correction. IMHO the Perspective Control feature from Leica is highly overrated...

I often prefer LPC to LrC's Auto. LrC's Auto transform is sometimes wrong, unnatural, and sometimes completely bogus. In rare cases, I prefer LrC's Auto transform to LPC. Sometimes, I have to tune LPC's settings, but the live view guidelines are invaluable for framing.

LPC is one main reason I sometimes pick Leica instead of a non-Leica for travel.

[elmars]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb Tellerrand:

IMHO the Perspective Control feature from Leica is highly overrated...

I see it differently. I agree that you can control the result better on the computer in post-processing and that ‘Auto’ actually delivers very good results; but if I activate perspective control during shooting, I can determine the image section much more precisely because I realise what the perspective correction will cut away.

[LocalHero1953]

5 hours ago, SrMi said:

After the crop, you will see the guidelines if you zoom out enough.

Agreed - but it's just an irritating and unnecessary distracting extra step. It would be so much easier if those who did not use Leica's PC were allowed to add their own control lines. 

[PhotoCruiser]

vor 47 Minuten schrieb LocalHero1953:

It would be so much easier if those who did not use Leica's PC were allowed to add their own control lines. 

Yes this is correct, but i think this is a M11 problem.
On my SL2 i have Perspective Control set to off and don't get the lines on LRC but may - never tried it - when i set PC to on.

The various auto modes work often well, but sometimes (in photos with a lot of non vertival or parallel lines) i get much better results drawing the lines by my self.

Chris

 

[M11 for me]

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Chris Draughon:

Thank you for the replies. I am using MacOS v 15.3.1 and LR Classic 14.2. The DNG files are from my M11. Yes, if I select the Guided icon on the top right of the Transform panel, or the Guided Upright icon on the top left, the same response occurs. However, the tool works correctly on my Sony A7R5 files or any files from other cameras. Note in the example image how the Guided Upright and Guided icons are in use and the guides are along the perimeter of the image in the workspace.

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That is exactly what it should do (I must say that I did not read all posts here yet).And as you see it did the right thing. The falling lines are aligned with the left birder of your image.

If you do not like this resukt tgen you can delete all your 4 lines, that are written into the DNG and set yiur iwn lines.

I winder then: Do you think that the lines are set wrongly and therfor you think it does the wrong thing?

[hoolyproductions]

15 hours ago, Tellerrand said:

This is the Perspective Control of your Leica M11. The correction values are embedded in the DNG, even if the PC of the M11 is switched off. Just right click (on Windows 😉) on one of the guide lines and choose reset if you don't want the PC correction and set your own guide lines. Works as intended... 😁

I use this LR Transform feature very often for cityscape or architecture shots, I'm very glad that the LPC data gets 'baked' into the file. I tried LPC in camera and didn't really get on with it.

I did however have to correct the Lightroom guidelines for the first time ever last week and was at first confused how to reset the guidelines. It just takes one click though, as has been pointed out above. On a Mac you just click the 'Guided upright tool' button in the Transform panel.

[PhotoCruiser]

Yes, unwanted guide lines can be deleted clicking on them and hitting the backspace key on a mac, but not sure about the 4 OP is writing about.
If i have guidelines i don't want then i set it to none on the right side Transformations panel and use the Upright guidelines from the top menu.

Often one of the automatic settings on the panel work fine but sometimes not and i pull guidelines as it gives me a better result.

Chris

[LocalHero1953]

3 hours ago, PhotoCruiser said:

Yes this is correct, but i think this is a M11 problem.
On my SL2 i have Perspective Control set to off and don't get the lines on LRC but may - never tried it - when i set PC to on.

The various auto modes work often well, but sometimes (in photos with a lot of non vertival or parallel lines) i get much better results drawing the lines by my self.

Chris

 

I have just checked again with SL2-S images (PC on my SL2-S is set to Off). Whether I click 'Guided', click the cross hatch icon top left of the Transform panel, or type Shift-T, Lightroom applies a correction and places lines on the edges of the image. If I have already cropped the image these lines are not visible or changeable. I have to remove the crop first. Yes, I can reset the upright guides, but I don't see why I should have to if perspective control on the camera is set to Off.

[PhotoCruiser]

The 4 guidelines show up when i disable the guideline symbol upper right side of the Transformations panel as i wrote before and in-camera Perspective Control disabled. I never use in-camera PC enabled as the white box disturbs me.
 

vor 17 Stunden schrieb PhotoCruiser:

Have you tried to click on the guidelines icon upper right side of the Transform Panel?

 

If the icon is illuminated the guidelines do not show up, but if i click on with guidelines then the photo changes perspective but without showing the guide lines on the 4 corners

So it's not a "problem" with the M11 only, happen also with my SL2 with the icon greyed out.

 

Chris

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Edited March 2 by PhotoCruiser

[PhotoCruiser]

I just took two photos, one with in-camera PC on and one with in-camera PC off.

Same regarding the guidelines icon.
But when use the photo with in-camera PC control and i click on the guideline icon then

1. for a fraction from a second i see diagonal frames showing up
2. the photo shift perspective
3. the 4 guidelines on the borders appear when the icon is greyed out
4. i can repeat that when i set the button to Off and click again on the illuminated guidelines icon

Chris

EDIT: I just noticed that i have also some photos where the 4 guidelines on the border don't show up at all🤫
For example a series of macro photos where on the first two the guidelines show up if i disable/grey out the guideline icon, but on the next not.

Others are landscape, others have strong vertival lines in the photo, some not, and it happnes to all my lenses, either Sigma with L-Mount or old M39 lenses.
I could not find any reason why the 4 guidelines show up, or not as it's not the lenses nor strong vertical or horizontal lines, sometimes the automatic guidelies work and show up, sometimes not. Very wired...

Edited March 2 by PhotoCruiser

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[Tellerrand]

vor 13 Stunden schrieb SrMi:

LrC's Auto transform is sometimes wrong, unnatural, and sometimes completely bogus.

Agreed. That's why I wrote 85-90% Auto or manual correction in my pictures. Didn't vote for 100% LrC Auto in 100% of all pictures taken by anyone.

I'm simply not satisfied with the performance of LPC in my photography. For example: I often take pics in portrait orientation from a detail of a house just standing in front of it holding the camera as straight as I can. If the result isn't perfect and I apply LPC on these pics, the result is often even more imperfect and LrC Auto or manual guide lines doing a better job. Second example: receding lines of a building. LPC just straightens them in parallel to the borders of the frame which is very poor and unnatural since the building now seems to grow fatter towards the top. Again, it's just me. [lct_mode] YMMV [/lct_mode] 😉

Perhaps the hardware and/or firmware regarding LPC in M11, SL3 or Q3 is better than in M10-R/M generation...

vor 11 Stunden schrieb elmars:

I see it differently. [...] if I activate perspective control during shooting, I can determine the image section much more precisely because I realise what the perspective correction will cut away.

Fully agreed. I think it's also a question of the photographic approach. I'm an en passant, hand held rangefinder shooter (don't use Visoflex at all). Would not call it point&shoot, but frame&shoot. I hate everything which slows the framing process down, for example tripods. Don't want to take the camera from my eyes and look on the screen to control the LPC. Even more general: In almost all situations where I point the camera upwards or downwards I want exactly this perspective and not a "corrected" one which looks like I had telescopic legs or a build in elevator in my shoes...

Edited March 2 by Tellerrand