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2 hours ago, Jon Warwick said:

For a distant landscape at f5.6, and maybe Jono can chime in, does the new lens achieve full sharpness at the edges?  I recall Jono’s report re the reissued 50mm Noctilux 1.2 saying the corners never really got there even when stopped down, so curious if the reissue Summilux does?

Hi There Jon, the corners aren't nasty, but I don't think they achieve full sharpness, even at f8. I guess that if you want the best performance for landscapes you would be better with the 50 APO (no surprise), on the other hand this lens does offer lots of other wonders to play with!

Here are some full sized jpgs you can look at - the winter scene is f4.8 (probably actually f5.6) and the lane says it's f9.5, but it's probably f8

 

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Perhaps this helps?

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5 minutes ago, Ray Vonn said:

I never knew, thanks for that.  Was looking at one to buy as well.

Hi Ray

Don't let me put you off, but I think the fact that Leica had updated the formula with a Mandler design in 1961 (two years after version 1). . . . . but didn't tell anyone for 5 or 6 years probably speaks to the fact that they realised it was a bit crap too!

On the other hand, as we all understand, quality and charm are not necessarily the same thing!

All the best

Jonathan

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1 hour ago, jonoslack said:

Hi There Jon, the corners aren't nasty, but I don't think they achieve full sharpness, even at f8. I guess that if you want the best performance for landscapes you would be better with the 50 APO (no surprise), on the other hand this lens does offer lots of other wonders to play with!

Here are some full sized jpgs you can look at - the winter scene is f4.8 (probably actually f5.6) and the lane says it's f9.5, but it's probably f8

 

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Hi Jono, That’s very helpful. Many thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

I had assumed the 50 APO makes most sense for edge-to-edge performance for landscapes, and your review shows well how the new Summilux reissue has a charm of its own that’s ideal for other uses. Just wanted to see how “universal” the latter lens might be.

It’s aspects like this - ie, one can get a multitude of renderings by using different lenses on the same body - that keeps drawing me back to the M system.

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1 hour ago, Jon Warwick said:

Hi Jono, That’s very helpful. Many thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

I had assumed the 50 APO makes most sense for edge-to-edge performance for landscapes, and your review shows well how the new Summilux reissue has a charm of its own that’s ideal for other uses. Just wanted to see how “universal” the latter lens might be.

It’s aspects like this - ie, one can get a multitude of renderings by using different lenses on the same body - that keeps drawing me back to the M system.

Same here Jon!

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Thanks for the review, Jono. As always, some great pictures. So much so that after seeing them I let GAS take the better of me and picked up one earlier today.

So far so good after a few shots. My only gripe is the hood's inclination to not stay in place and spin around a bit more freely than I'd like. I'll probably replace it with a third-party screw-in anyway, but why Leica can't get their hoods right lately remains a mystery to me. Did you notice the same hood behaviour?

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Hadn't seen a price yet, but Leica Store Miami shows it retail at US$3900, which is rather reasonable in the current Leica pricing framework.

Hmmm, thinking of trading my version 2 Summilux for this new lens.

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1 hour ago, Ecar said:

Thanks for the review, Jono. As always, some great pictures. So much so that after seeing them I let GAS take the better of me and picked up one earlier today.

So far so good after a few shots. My only gripe is the hood's inclination to not stay in place and spin around a bit more freely than I'd like. I'll probably replace it with a third-party screw-in anyway, but why Leica can't get their hoods right lately remains a mystery to me. Did you notice the same hood behaviour?

Did you try fitting the hood with a filter screwed onto the lens? also does the hood fit reversed ?

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6 hours ago, jonoslack said:

Hi There Olaf

. . . . My impression is that whilst the original is interesting, unlike the lovely steel rim, it wasn't a terribly good lens. I think the only reason for not getting the new one is if you object to the weight - in which case an black aluminium version 3 might be the answer.

All the best

Jono

Thanks Jone, with the original I was actually doubting between the v2 (for its 43mm) or the v3 (for its hood). I always longed for a pre asph 50mm, so I guess the upcoming months might be a good time to buy as there will be (hopefully) plenty of choice.

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thank you Jono for the review! I like that Leica is offering such "character" lenses. Today many lenses are tweaked towards optical perfection, which might be great for landscape, but not working so great for people and portraits.

 

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15 hours ago, didier said:

Thanks Jono for the great review, as always !

What about Focus Shift : can you tell us more about how the lens handles it ?

thanks

Didier  

Hi There Didier

That's my little job for today!

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Jono

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I'm curious to see what Jono comes up with. I have noticed focus shift in my tests, but the result is unproblematic. The Sharpness never runs out of the focus point. Here is what I wrote in my review:

Older lenses, especially non-aspherical lenses, tend to focus shift. This means that the point of optimum sharpness moves slightly forwards or backwards when the lens is stopped down. The image can become unsharp if the focal point moves outside the depth of field plane. The new Summilux also has focus shift; the focus moves slightly backwards. However, this does not result in unsharpness, but only in a reduction of the depth of field towards the front, while it expands towards the back.

The full review is here:

 

 

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Jono,

Thanks for the article. Calling around in the US, I am truly surprised at how few of these lens have reached even Leica owned stores in the US on day one unlike other releases like the SR 35/1.4 for example.

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20 hours ago, didier said:

Thanks Jono for the great review, as always !

What about Focus Shift : can you tell us more about how the lens handles it ?

thanks

Didier  

 

2 hours ago, elmars said:

I'm curious to see what Jono comes up with. I have noticed focus shift in my tests, but the result is unproblematic. The Sharpness never runs out of the focus point. Here is what I wrote in my review:

Older lenses, especially non-aspherical lenses, tend to focus shift. This means that the point of optimum sharpness moves slightly forwards or backwards when the lens is stopped down. The image can become unsharp if the focal point moves outside the depth of field plane. The new Summilux also has focus shift; the focus moves slightly backwards. However, this does not result in unsharpness, but only in a reduction of the depth of field towards the front, while it expands towards the back.

 

 

Hi There 

This is a bit complicated in that really one should do it at different distances - I did this at 1.5 metres (ie portrait distance) and focused at 24.5 on the scale at f1.4, I then stopped down to f8 successively and took images - I've cropped the same section in each image. 

I did this using the visoflex, I didn't use the rangefinder to check where perfect exposure was, but it's usually done at f2.8 (where I would say perfect focus is at about 22.5 , and if that's the case, then @elmars would be correct in saying that the focal point never moves outside the depth of field plane. He is also right in suggesting that it moves backwards as you stop down.

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Am 21.2.2025 um 13:37 schrieb jonoslack:

Hi There Olaf

. . . . My impression is that whilst the original is interesting, unlike the lovely steel rim, it wasn't a terribly good lens. I think the only reason for not getting the new one is if you object to the weight - in which case an black aluminium version 3 might be the answer.

All the best

Jono

Or if you don’t like the super long focus throw of the reissue Summilux. Also the original V3 is an amazing lens. 

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45 minutes ago, emlokto said:

I have a 1973 Summilux and I do find the focus throw a bit annoyingly long. I guess the question is, is it shorter or longer? 

Curious about this as well?  I have a V2 Summilux, and find the focus throw a bit long say, compared to my Summicron.

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