How to un see Magenta cast?

[jaapv]

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The science behind subjective colour perception is well established. 

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[Ne314satel]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

The science behind subjective colour perception is well established. 

Rent a Hasselblad x2d or 907x. Take some pictures, compare the color with a Leica. The Earth is round, although it is not visible.

[jaapv]

Sorry, you lost me completely here... Why on earth should I do that? Renting cameras has nothing to do with the way the human eye and brain perceive colours.

https://knowablemagazine.org/content/article/mind/2022/science-of-color-perception

https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-psych-032720-040512

https://www.xrite.com/blog/color-perception-part-1

[Parolibre]

Having using both the X2D and M11 and SL3 and Q3, I have to agree that the color science (or rather the starting point) of the X2D is simply unparalleled. It is almost like cutting a slice of reality with a super fine tool that looks almost slightly better than reality itself. It is an addictive camera. As much as I love the rangefinder experience of how convenient the Q3 is, I sold all of them and went all in with the XCD system. Quite sad to say this. 

[SrMi]

The magenta issue discussed has improved my photography :). I have stopped using AWB on all my Leica and non-Leica cameras, as I now prefer results without AWB unless shooting JPEGs.

[Tseg]

3 hours ago, SrMi said:

The magenta issue discussed has improved my photography :). I have stopped using AWB on all my Leica and non-Leica cameras, as I now prefer results without AWB unless shooting JPEGs.

Same.

[Velo-city]

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Can't remember which thread it was, but one or more users who's M11's were plagued by Leica's signature HRMC (Horrible Random Magenta Cast) had sent their cameras back to Leica to get them to remove this bonus feature, or repair, replace, re-calibrate....  Anyone know if they managed it?  Never going back to an M11, just genuinely curious if it was curable?  And if so, why Leica didn't own up to it and offer this service to any users that had the plague.

Edited May 25 by Velo-city

[jhonzatkl]

I'm one of those users. I sent my M11-P (still under warranty) to Wetzlar, where they did a free sensor recalibration. After the service, the above problem no longer occurs.

[LeicaGuyUK]

1 hour ago, jhonzatkl said:

I'm one of those users. I sent my M11-P (still under warranty) to Wetzlar, where they did a free sensor recalibration. After the service, the above problem no longer occurs.

What was the turn around time for that?

[jhonzatkl]

I'm from the Czech Republic, it took about 2 weeks door to door.

[Velo-city]

Interesting that so many were reporting 4-6 months if you were lucky, but now it's 2 weeks....  But great if the issue was fixed, which then logic says must prove the sensor of the M11 is not correctly/consistently calibrated at the factory in the first place, or that its another issue Leica won't admit - it might not even be calibration and they could have binned the sensor and/or other internals and replaced them with new, there's no way to know.

Hopefully some others that sent theirs in will also confirm the issue fixed.  If so that's a big deal, and also a good result for those that have the issue and want to go through the process. I would have probably gone for it with a 2 week wait, so at least that would have been knocked off the list, but I think I would have sold it anyway unless that service also, miraculously fixed a host of other issues (which it could well do if they do in fact replace internals with a more recent or better QA'd batch).

 

[charlesphoto99]

17 hours ago, Velo-city said:

(which it could well do if they do in fact replace internals with a more recent or better QA'd batch).

 

I 100% doubt they are replacing anything, especially in a two week turnaround time. Replacing anything inside the camera also means a whole new set of covering. That would be a thousand++ dollar job. Nope, this is just plugging in a new color matrix into the firmware. The reason Leica won't make it a universal firmware fix is because that would be admitting something is intrinsically wrong with the M11 color, and therefore the millions of photos already taken by M11 owners are flawed. Hopefully, moving forward, they get some better beta testers that actually print and have calibrated monitors. 

Edited May 27 by charlesphoto99

[bkphoto]

This is so bizarre, just update the firmware.

[Kiwimac]

It’s a shame that you can’t adjust the colour tone for the AWB presets. 
 

I’ve a vague memory that Fujifilm cameras allow you to do that. 
 

I tend to set mine to 5600K and leave it there as if it was daylight film. Simple enough to alter it in post. 

[SrMi]

30 minutes ago, Kiwimac said:

It’s a shame that you can’t adjust the colour tone for the AWB presets. 
 

I’ve a vague memory that Fujifilm cameras allow you to do that. 
 

I tend to set mine to 5600K and leave it there as if it was daylight film. Simple enough to alter it in post. 

If you set it to a fixed color temperature, you are not using AWB. Setting the WB to a fixed value, e.g., Daylight, sounds like a good setting for any camera, as it brings more consistency to a series of shots. Of course, one can do it at import time, using an import preset.

[Kiwimac]

41 minutes ago, SrMi said:

If you set it to a fixed color temperature, you are not using AWB. Setting the WB to a fixed value, e.g., Daylight, sounds like a good setting for any camera, as it brings more consistency to a series of shots. Of course, one can do it at import time, using an import preset.

Exactly. 
 

but in a Fuji (I think) menu, you can set the colour tint on the WB  presets which is very useful. 

[Smogg]

If Leica keeps selling M11, then Leica thinks that magenta cast doesn't exist. Who are we to trust our eyes and not trust Leica, which is 100 years old?😂

[jaapv]

On 5/27/2025 at 3:02 PM, charlesphoto99 said:

I 100% doubt they are replacing anything, especially in a two week turnaround time. Replacing anything inside the camera also means a whole new set of covering. That would be a thousand++ dollar job. Nope, this is just plugging in a new color matrix into the firmware. The reason Leica won't make it a universal firmware fix is because that would be admitting something is intrinsically wrong with the M11 color, and therefore the millions of photos already taken by M11 owners are flawed. Hopefully, moving forward, they get some better beta testers that actually print and have calibrated monitors. 

Nothing to do with admitting - just balancing the number of complainants to the number of owners that see no problem - but would if they changed it. 

Colour in art is an opinion anyway:

https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/article/magazine-debate-is-colour-purely-subjective

https://www.datacolor.com/learn/data-of-color/

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[Kim Dahl]

But couldn't Laica just make a color profile in the photo app without the magenta carst. Then just fix it. It's fair that some people can't see it or just like it. I would like to wick without the magenta color in the sky etc.

 

Edited May 30 by Kim Dahl

[jaapv]

In any postprocessing it is easy for the user - but the app is an obstacle. For now the solution seems to be to send the camera in to be calibrated differently.