EVF M rumoured

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2 hours ago, Corius said:

The M11-P is virtually identical to the M11. I don't think you can read anything into the M11 being discontinued.

Not true.

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49 minutes ago, lct said:

Black M2?

Got one.

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2 hours ago, lct said:

The 64GB M11 is discontinued. 256GB versions are still available though.

The 256GB version is the M11-P, The M11 is 64GB and is discontinued.

The point that I was making above is that the only difference between them is 256GB memory, a CA chip, Sapphire glass, a black viewfinder surround and top plate engraving.

There's no real functional difference and discontinuing the M11 is very sensible of Leica given the prices are quite similar. So deleting the M11 gives no indication of what an EVF model or M12 will be.

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb SrMi:

I was once shooting from a helicopter with an H6D (best OVF ever) and a Sony a7rIII. It saw a shocking difference when switching between the cameras (different focal lengths). With H6D, I was in the scene, with Sony I was looking at the data interpreting what the camera was seeing.

It is what it is, but the lack of detail/contrast in current EVFs is a dire issue, unless there is a mode like Olympus's S-OVF mode, quickly switchable via a button.

It makes little sense to generalize statements based on a comparison between the H6D and the Sony A7RIII.

The EVF of an A7RIII, as far as I could find, has 3.6 million dots, 60 Hz refresh rate with blackouts while shooting and a magnification of 0.78x, while that of a current camera such as the A1 has 9.4 million dots, up to 240 Hz refresh rate, no black outs (when using electronic shutter) and 0.9x magnification. This is a significant difference in perception, but we all don't know yet, what to expect from the EVF-M.

The question also arises as to what's more important to you: "being in the scene" or "previewing what will ultimately be captured in the photo." There's probably no right or wrong here, but it's definitely a matter of personal preference and how open you are to change.

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21 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said:

It makes little sense to generalize statements based on a comparison between the H6D and the Sony A7RIII.

The EVF of an A7RIII, as far as I could find, has 3.6 million dots, 60 Hz refresh rate with blackouts while shooting and a magnification of 0.78x, while that of a current camera such as the A1 has 9.4 million dots, up to 240 Hz refresh rate, no black outs and 0.9x magnification. This is a significant difference in perception, but we all don't know yet, what to expect from the EVF-M.

The question also arises as to what's more important to you: "being in the scene" or "previewing what will ultimately be captured in the photo." There's probably no right or wrong here, but it's definitely a matter of personal preference and how open you are to change.

I have A1 and do not think there was a significant improvement in the essence, though A1's viewfinder is defintely better and I expect EVFs will improve.

With EVF I can see clipping and histogram. With OVF I ca see that in inage review.

I wish there would be an OVF simulation with correct clipping and highlights info (no exposure simulation, no WB simulation). When shooting raw, I do not need "WYSIWYG", because in most cases I do not want to get what I am seeing in the EVF anyway. At least it could then try to reproduce what my eyes are seeing.

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28 minutes ago, SrMi said:

I have A1 and do not think there was a significant improvement in the essence, though A1's viewfinder is defintely better and I expect EVFs will improve.

With EVF I can see clipping and histogram. With OVF I ca see that in inage review.

I wish there would be an OVF simulation with correct clipping and highlights info (no exposure simulation, no WB simulation). When shooting raw, I do not need "WYSIWYG", because in most cases I do not want to get what I am seeing in the EVF anyway. At least it could then try to reproduce what my eyes are seeing.

A number of Canon cameras already offer an OVF simulation mode (R5 Mark II, R3, and R1).

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30 minutes ago, bcaslis said:

A number of Canon cameras already offer an OVF simulation mode (R5 Mark II, R3, and R1).

Yes, that mode is a significant improvement over R5 Mark 1 for me. I believe no cameras have valid histograms/clipping in OVF simulation mode. At least I can quickly switch via a button press.

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vor 10 Stunden schrieb TeleElmar135mm:

... sometimes I wonder how we were able to be able to work with analog film - or even today - and with an OVF without electronic aids. Where was the AI? To put it another way: The OVF fits the M like the mirror fits the analog SL and the EVF fits the digital SL. As we say in German: The “Eigerlegendewollmilchsau” (egglayingwoolmilkpig ?) does not exist.

Of course I can make pictures with my M10. I even love it. The problem just is, anything wider than 50mm, I cannot frame well with the builtin viewfinder. And while I am very good at focusing with the range finder, there are lenses where it isn't always perfectly precise. So, when Leica wants to lure me into spending a whole lot of money on a new M, some improvements of the viewfinder situation would be more than welcome. I am not 100% sure, the EVF is to go, but a well made one would address the issues I named. There are also ways they could improve the optical rangefinder. That would be welcome too.

AI isn't that important for a camera with manual focus. The biggest benefit I see from it is a really intelligent autofocus. That works quite well. Maybe someone eventually finds a way to improve exposure and white balance with AI. This might not be essential, but I wouldn't say no to improvements there.

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8 hours ago, lct said:

This is a topic about the expected EVF-M. People interested have an RF alreay or don't like it and want something else. Chances they change their mind because an RF is an RF are negligible at best.

say what?

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vor 23 Stunden schrieb Corius:

The 256GB version is the M11-P, The M11 is 64GB and is discontinued.

The point that I was making above is that the only difference between them is 256GB memory, a CA chip, Sapphire glass, a black viewfinder surround and top plate engraving.

There's no real functional difference and discontinuing the M11 is very sensible of Leica given the prices are quite similar. So deleting the M11 gives no indication of what an EVF model or M12 will be.

Maybe you are right and it‘s no indication for an M12. It could have something to do with production ressources. There are only so many camera models Leica can produce at a time … and if there comes an EVF M it will be in high demand.

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Am 9.4.2025 um 17:30 schrieb Corius:

The 256GB version is the M11-P, The M11 is 64GB and is discontinued.

I can see the M11 on the Leica store. It is still on offer . . . The M11-P is on offer as well and just 200€ more expensive . . .

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34 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

I can see the M11 on the Leica store. It is still on offer . . . The M11-P is on offer as well and just 200€ more expensive . . .

Yes, it was still on the UK store when I checked a couple of days ago, but I don't think many would opt for that when, as you say, the M11-P price  is not a great deal more.

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1 hour ago, Corius said:

Yes, it was still on the UK store when I checked a couple of days ago, but I don't think many would opt for that when, as you say, the M11-P price  is not a great deal more.

Not really. Right now Red Dot have new Silver M11's for £6900 and the M11p at £8k.

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3 hours ago, Leicaflex said:

Maybe you are right and it‘s no indication for an M12. It could have something to do with production ressources. There are only so many camera models Leica can produce at a time … and if there comes an EVF M it will be in high demand.

Leica just announced the 'M11 100 year' edition. Back to Country editions - initially 6 countries x 100 units each.

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/photography/100-years-products?utm_source=CRM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20250410_HQ_UK_CNL2_ALL_100#m11

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14 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

Not really. Right now Red Dot have new Silver M11's for £6900 and the M11p at £8k.

Wow, that's a good deal, and I see they have an ex-display for £6K. It's a great shop!

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14 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

Not really. Right now Red Dot have new Silver M11's for £6900 and the M11p at £8k.

Well for a ‘premium brand’ having stock marked down like that is a disaster. All of these companies like to run the line ‘a discount for a Porsche? I’m sorry sir, this isn’t a Ford’. All the more reason for Leica to pull if retailers are knocking £££ off the price! 

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8 minutes ago, Corius said:

Wow, that's a good deal, and I see they have an ex-display for £6K. It's a great shop!

I agree!

 

Ffordes also have silver ones at the same price but the black seems to not be discounted interestingly.

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This is from Leica Rumor’s Facebook story. Another photo showed the same camera sitting on a dark table with the Leica hq in the background. Is this an older camera that I don’t recognize or could this be the m11v or whatever its name will be?

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I for one can’t wait to see this camera released.  it will always be a personal preference on evf vs OVF. The big questions in my mind are price point and body design.  if it takes the more likely route and comes in at current M11 pricing and current M11 body size… hard to say.  If some rumors are right and it comes in slightly smaller and (dare to dream) closer to Q in pricing… game changer in my mind.  Who knows but I can’t imagine Leica releasing anything new until the crazy tariff issue is resolved.  

 

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