SrMi Posted April 9 Share #1441 Posted April 9 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 minutes ago, Smogg said: Very precise words, I fully support! The rangefinder, thanks to the OVF, does not tear you out of the scene, you capture live emotions, yours and others. I was once shooting from a helicopter with an H6D (best OVF ever) and a Sony a7rIII. It saw a shocking difference when switching between the cameras (different focal lengths). With H6D, I was in the scene, with Sony I was looking at the data interpreting what the camera was seeing. It is what it is, but the lack of detail/contrast in current EVFs is a dire issue, unless there is a mode like Olympus's S-OVF mode, quickly switchable via a button. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted April 9 Share #1442 Posted April 9 11 hours ago, J S H said: When you use highlight weighted metering, do you have exposure preview set to half press? If so, the EVF view will allow you to see far into the shadows, as the signal is amplified to the highest possible amount until you half-press the shutter button, when it then reflects the actual exposure. This is the best of both worlds, in my experience. This setting also eliminates the brightness fluctuations in the EVF as the framing (and calculated exposure) changes. Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I am using exposure preview on half-press. It helps a lot but I still have issues. Will check with EVF brightness maxed out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 9 Share #1443 Posted April 9 4 minutes ago, SrMi said: It is what it is, but the lack of detail/contrast in current EVFs is a dire issue, unless there is a mode like Olympus's S-OVF mode, quickly switchable via a button. I understand that this is an analogue of Natural View in Fuji? If so, then on Fuji I always have this function on a separate button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 9 Share #1444 Posted April 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Smogg said: I understand that this is an analogue of Natural View in Fuji? If so, then on Fuji I always have this function on a separate button. No, Natural View is not good enough. For Fuji I turn exposure simulation off. I access it via a button, but need to cycle through modes to reach it. Note that all the special viewing modes invalidate histogram and clipping warnings (they are not accurate). Edited April 9 by SrMi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9 Share #1445 Posted April 9 This is a topic about the expected EVF-M. People interested have an RF alreay or don't like it and want something else. Chances they change their mind because an RF is an RF are negligible at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9 Share #1446 Posted April 9 There are no people on the fence? Nor people interested in both in various degrees? No prosecutors and defenders in the same court? I would say a discussion can only live by opposing views. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaflex Posted April 9 Share #1447 Posted April 9 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The rumors that the M11 is discontinued seem to be right. There is an official statement about it on the phoblographer. This opens up some more possibilities for an EVF M. It would be strange that the first EVF M is based on an allready discontinued model. Maybe it gives a little glimpse of M12. Edited April 9 by Leicaflex Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted April 9 Share #1448 Posted April 9 15 minutes ago, Leicaflex said: The rumors that the M11 is discontinued seem to be right. There is an official statement about it on the phoblographer. This opens up some more possibilities for an EVF M. It would be strange that the first EVF M is based on an allready discontinued model. Maybe it gives a little glimpse of M12. The M11-P is virtually identical to the M11. I don't think you can read anything into the M11 being discontinued. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9 Share #1449 Posted April 9 20 minutes ago, Corius said: The M11-P is virtually identical to the M11. I don't think you can read anything into the M11 being discontinued. The 64GB M11 is discontinued. 256GB versions are still available though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted April 9 Share #1450 Posted April 9 Looking at the length of this thread with so many words words words, ( anyone remember where that came from? ), and hot air expended wouldn't it be a big let-down if Leica's big Anniversary Surprise turns out to be a re-issue of the M3 in Black Paint? 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 9 Author Share #1451 Posted April 9 22 minutes ago, Leicaflex said: The rumors that the M11 is discontinued seem to be right. There is an official statement about it on the phoblographer. This opens up some more possibilities for an EVF M. It would be strange that the first EVF M is based on an allready discontinued model. Maybe it gives a little glimpse of M12. I will bet my bottom dollar that it will have the M11-D top plate and the 60mp sensor. Everything is set up for an easy transition, the M11 meters off the sensor, the top plate of the M11-D has no ISO dial so a little more space if needed. Leica are not going to move heaven and earth to test this one out. The path of least resistance is the obvious one imo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 9 Author Share #1452 Posted April 9 Just now, Smudgerer said: Looking at the length of this thread with so many words words words, ( anyone remember where that came from? ), and hot air expended wouldn't it be a big let-down if Leica's big Anniversary Surprise turns out to be a re-issue of the M3 in Black Paint? I would be very tempted with one of those! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted April 9 Share #1453 Posted April 9 11 minutes ago, costa43 said: I would be very tempted with one of those! Me too so I hope my jest won't turn out to be true, I've too many of the damn things......Oh but wait, no 35mm frame-lines on a M3 so I'm sort of safe but if they do reissue a Black M3 WITH an updated VF that includes 35mm frame-lines then I and the wallet are done for. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9 Share #1454 Posted April 9 Black M2? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 9 Share #1455 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Corius said: The M11-P is virtually identical to the M11. I don't think you can read anything into the M11 being discontinued. Not true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudgerer Posted April 9 Share #1456 Posted April 9 49 minutes ago, lct said: Black M2? Got one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted April 9 Share #1457 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, lct said: The 64GB M11 is discontinued. 256GB versions are still available though. The 256GB version is the M11-P, The M11 is 64GB and is discontinued. The point that I was making above is that the only difference between them is 256GB memory, a CA chip, Sapphire glass, a black viewfinder surround and top plate engraving. There's no real functional difference and discontinuing the M11 is very sensible of Leica given the prices are quite similar. So deleting the M11 gives no indication of what an EVF model or M12 will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted April 9 Share #1458 Posted April 9 (edited) vor 7 Stunden schrieb SrMi: I was once shooting from a helicopter with an H6D (best OVF ever) and a Sony a7rIII. It saw a shocking difference when switching between the cameras (different focal lengths). With H6D, I was in the scene, with Sony I was looking at the data interpreting what the camera was seeing. It is what it is, but the lack of detail/contrast in current EVFs is a dire issue, unless there is a mode like Olympus's S-OVF mode, quickly switchable via a button. It makes little sense to generalize statements based on a comparison between the H6D and the Sony A7RIII. The EVF of an A7RIII, as far as I could find, has 3.6 million dots, 60 Hz refresh rate with blackouts while shooting and a magnification of 0.78x, while that of a current camera such as the A1 has 9.4 million dots, up to 240 Hz refresh rate, no black outs (when using electronic shutter) and 0.9x magnification. This is a significant difference in perception, but we all don't know yet, what to expect from the EVF-M. The question also arises as to what's more important to you: "being in the scene" or "previewing what will ultimately be captured in the photo." There's probably no right or wrong here, but it's definitely a matter of personal preference and how open you are to change. Edited April 9 by 3D-Kraft.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 9 Share #1459 Posted April 9 (edited) 21 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: It makes little sense to generalize statements based on a comparison between the H6D and the Sony A7RIII. The EVF of an A7RIII, as far as I could find, has 3.6 million dots, 60 Hz refresh rate with blackouts while shooting and a magnification of 0.78x, while that of a current camera such as the A1 has 9.4 million dots, up to 240 Hz refresh rate, no black outs and 0.9x magnification. This is a significant difference in perception, but we all don't know yet, what to expect from the EVF-M. The question also arises as to what's more important to you: "being in the scene" or "previewing what will ultimately be captured in the photo." There's probably no right or wrong here, but it's definitely a matter of personal preference and how open you are to change. I have A1 and do not think there was a significant improvement in the essence, though A1's viewfinder is defintely better and I expect EVFs will improve. With EVF I can see clipping and histogram. With OVF I ca see that in inage review. I wish there would be an OVF simulation with correct clipping and highlights info (no exposure simulation, no WB simulation). When shooting raw, I do not need "WYSIWYG", because in most cases I do not want to get what I am seeing in the EVF anyway. At least it could then try to reproduce what my eyes are seeing. Edited April 9 by SrMi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcaslis Posted April 9 Share #1460 Posted April 9 28 minutes ago, SrMi said: I have A1 and do not think there was a significant improvement in the essence, though A1's viewfinder is defintely better and I expect EVFs will improve. With EVF I can see clipping and histogram. With OVF I ca see that in inage review. I wish there would be an OVF simulation with correct clipping and highlights info (no exposure simulation, no WB simulation). When shooting raw, I do not need "WYSIWYG", because in most cases I do not want to get what I am seeing in the EVF anyway. At least it could then try to reproduce what my eyes are seeing. A number of Canon cameras already offer an OVF simulation mode (R5 Mark II, R3, and R1). 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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