evikne Posted March 26 Share #1101 Posted March 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where should we set the ISO when the dial is gone? Do we have to go into a menu to do it, like before the M10? I guess that's the price we have to pay to make more space for the EVF unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lee S Posted March 26 Share #1102 Posted March 26 24 minutes ago, Tobers said: I wonder how they will implement focus confirmation. There’s some real opportunity for innovation. For example, they could just have a graphic indicator to tell you how close you are to having focus on the thing inside the rangefinder patch. For example, a representation of where the lens focus tab (if there is one) is versus where it should be. They could keep things really simple and interesting. I got rid of my M10 because I found it too difficult to focus accurately with my Summilux lenses. The Summilux lenses were a main draw for the M system for me but there’s no point having f/1.4 if you cant focus it reliably. A cool implementation in the M11V might draw me back again. That would be very useful, Leica take note. I wonder if the current Leica sensor has PDAF points to enable it, probably not unless it’s *ahem* a Sony sensor. Can’t imagine them changing the sensor tech for this version yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee S Posted March 26 Share #1103 Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, evikne said: Where should we set the ISO when the dial is gone? Do we have to go into a menu to do it, like before the M10? I guess that's the price we have to pay to make more space for the EVF unit. On the rear, who needs an LCD now you have an EVF. Perhaps they will save that for the Leica M11-VD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted March 26 Share #1104 Posted March 26 I can't wade thru all of this. Is there someone who can sum up exactly what's going to happen? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 26 Share #1105 Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, Stephen.s1 said: Is there someone who can sum up exactly what's going to happen? There are rumours that Leica was going to launch soon an M-type camera with an electronic viewfinder. No one knows what it's supposed to do. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 26 Share #1106 Posted March 26 20 minutes ago, Stephen.s1 said: I can't wade thru all of this. Is there someone who can sum up exactly what's going to happen? All speculation until it happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted March 26 Share #1107 Posted March 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Lee S said: probably not unless it’s *ahem* a Sony sensor Don't tell anyone...... It is 🙊 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 27 Share #1108 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, evikne said: Where should we set the ISO when the dial is gone? Do we have to go into a menu to do it, like before the M10? I guess that's the price we have to pay to make more space for the EVF unit. Thumb wheel? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 27 Share #1109 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Lee S said: On the rear, who needs an LCD now you have an EVF. Perhaps they will save that for the Leica M11-VD. Pretty handy for setting menu items which is kinda hard with a camera at your eye 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 27 Share #1110 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Stephen.s1 said: I can't wade thru all of this. Is there someone who can sum up exactly what's going to happen? Leica? But they are not telling… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 27 Share #1111 Posted March 27 The ISO dial as on the M is perfect. Transferring that option to the thumb wheel is inviting it to be inadvertently changed by a thumb whilst shooting. Disaster! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted March 27 Share #1112 Posted March 27 25 minutes ago, erl said: The ISO dial as on the M is perfect. Transferring that option to the thumb wheel is inviting it to be inadvertently changed by a thumb whilst shooting. Disaster! Not to mention you can't check your ISO setting at a glance or make adjustments when the camera is asleep / off. Who knows if the rumour is true, but the 3 parts of the exposure triangle NEED to be dedicated, labelled dials... otherwise they are designing the camera exclusively for people to who shoot in auto and use exposure compensation. Auto ISO is always a last resort for me, I hate raising the camera to my eye and realising camera's exposure choice is different to my own and then needing to make tweaks as the scene changes in front of me. Auto ISO has its place, I use it when I need to, but it's a terrible decision to remove the dedicated ISO dial completely. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcaslis Posted March 27 Share #1113 Posted March 27 You can already assign ISO to any of the custom buttons on the M11. I have it assigned to the push in function of the rear dial. Easier than pulling up the ISO dial and I get access to more granularity than the dial provides. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichie Posted March 27 Share #1114 Posted March 27 3 hours ago, jaapv said: Pretty handy for setting menu items which is kinda hard with a camera at your eye Yes and I still prefer the Leica T design over any other Leica camera in recent years - large screen for menus and review images and easy access assignable thumb wheels. I found it very intuitive and quick to use. No reason to lose tactile functionality whilst making a modern camera. I highly doubt we will see anything like this in the M-V although as I have previously mentioned, Leica should be bold and put a stake in the sand for the next 20 years with this camera. The M body shape and lenses are enough to reference the heritage, everything else is up for grabs in my mind. My personal wishlist. 24MP with high resolution EVF [reduced price to allow entry into the cameras for new users / younger generation] large flush screen to back with joystick dial as current horizontal scroll reel at thumbgrip and selection as current 1 dial to top plate and shutter button [as current - no iso] 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted March 27 Share #1115 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, bcaslis said: You can already assign ISO to any of the custom buttons on the M11. I have it assigned to the push in function of the rear dial. Easier than pulling up the ISO dial and I get access to more granularity than the dial provides. I know, but I can do that on any camera. I also prefer to work in full stops of light which the current ISO dial allows for. I guess what I like about the M the most is the layout of the controls, more than anything else about the camera. The ISO dial is a mediocre design, I agree. The pull-up to twist is ergonomically terrible so I leave it up while I'm shooting to avoid that. I don't seem to ever knock it out of place. Anyway... it is what it is with new designs. Leica giveth and they taketh away. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 27 Share #1116 Posted March 27 The ISO top dial was an M10 novelty if i remember well. I don't miss it on the M240 and i don't find it handy on the M11. Matter of habit i guess. A function button would be enough for me. YMMV. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted March 27 Share #1117 Posted March 27 10 minutes ago, lct said: The ISO top dial was an M10 novelty if i remember well. I don't miss it on the M240 and i don't find it handy on the M11. Matter of habit i guess. A function button would be enough for me. YMMV. Yeah for sure there's lots of ways to do it. I hate using my Sony in manual mode because I need to press a button, look at the rear LCD screen, scroll down to the ISO I want, then press to confirm it. I'm just a firm believer that menus and multiple steps should not be involved when it comes to core elements of the exposure triangle. I should definitely stop whinging. On my M3 I have only aperture and shutter speed available... I've just gotten used to adjusting my exposure via ISO with digital cameras. It was probably a bad habit to get into from the start 😅 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 27 Share #1118 Posted March 27 I consider the M10's ability to easily switch ISO setting as one of the great advantages of digital over film. My M7 and M6's lock me into a fixed ISO for the duration of a film. I'm OK with that, But, my M10 with the marked improvement over my M9 for switching ISO on the run without consulting a menu has me jumping for joy. Now my world is only limited by my personal skill (unfortunately). 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 27 Share #1119 Posted March 27 A great advantage of digital is auto iso in M mode for me so the iso dial is of little use anyway. YMMV. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxj Posted March 27 Share #1120 Posted March 27 6 hours ago, Stephen.s1 said: I can't wade thru all of this. Is there someone who can sum up exactly what's going to happen? All rumours at this point. There's allegedly be a EVF camera that Leica have been working on a long time that may be called the M11-V with a blind front (no OVF window) like the Q cameras coming around May / June with no IBIS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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