EVF M rumoured

[M8X2]

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With a 75 Nocti attached. 

[algrove]

Finally relief might come on or about 11 October. I only use my M11's with Viso2 attached due to failing eyesight. 

If the rumored M11-V has the same EVF as the SL3/SL3S then I would be happy to try it.

It is just the rumors about a Fuji styled focusing system have me confused and wondering what that really means since the cam control inside the M currently controls the focusing patch in conjunction with MF M lenses, but then again it seems to work flawlessly when the Viso2 is attached to my M's.

So why complicate things?

Edited September 9 by algrove

[SrMi]

For me, one of the most crucial reasons I choose M cameras over other mirrorless cameras is the optical viewfinder. I much prefer the natural view to its digital representation. I also prefer an optical external viewfinder to the Visoflex for lenses with a focal length of 28mm and wider.

However, I have noticed that I am fine framing using a later smartphone that has a large and bright screen. Maybe a better solution to an M with an EVF would be an M with a much larger and brighter LCD.

[pedaes]

3 hours ago, algrove said:

the cam control inside the M

When using the Viso, or the rear screen, doesn't the cam become redundant, as you are focusing off the sensor?

[jaapv]

3 hours ago, algrove said:

but then again it seems to work flawlessly when the Viso2 is attached to my M's.

When using the Visoflex it has no function. Optical viewfinder only.

[adan]

31 minutes ago, pedaes said:

When using the Viso, or the rear screen, doesn't the cam become redundant, as you are focusing off the sensor?

26 minutes ago, jaapv said:

When using the Visoflex it has no function. Optical viewfinder only.

Hmmm - with my M10 in Live View, moving the lens focus ring (and thus the focus cam) is what engages the magnified view on the LCD, for focus assistance.

Turn the lens - the electronic view zooms in to check the focus in tighter detail.

If/when "Focus Aid" is set to "Automatic" in the Capture Assistants menu.

Are you saying that is not the case when using a Viso instead of the rear LCD? Or with the M11?

And given the only connection between an M lens and an M camera is the focus cam, how else would that be achieved without a focus cam?

[pedaes]

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18 minutes ago, adan said:

moving the lens focus ring (and thus the focus cam) 

Are you sure the cam is involved? I thought it was movement detected on/by the sensor that triggered it.

[NigelG]

43 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Are you sure the cam is involved? I thought it was movement detected on/by the sensor that triggered 

Edited September 9 by NigelG

[pedaes]

1 minute ago, NigelG said:

so there can be no sensor involvement.

Where does the Visoflex image come from, then?

[jaapv]

40 minutes ago, adan said:

Hmmm - with my M10 in Live View, moving the lens focus ring (and thus the focus cam) is what engages the magnified view on the LCD, for focus assistance.

Turn the lens - the electronic view zooms in to check the focus in tighter detail.

If/when "Focus Aid" is set to "Automatic" in the Capture Assistants menu.

Are you saying that is not the case when using a Viso instead of the rear LCD? Or with the M11?

And given the only connection between an M lens and an M camera is the focus cam, how else would that be achieved without a focus cam?

Yep, that is correct. Other focus stuff is electronic. 

[NigelG]

22 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Where does the Visoflex image come from, then?

Sorry - brain fart! - meant the cam triggers the focus zoom not the sensor detecting movement. I only rarely use the Visoflex and it’s always set to zoom for critical focus

[lct]

The roller cam is what makes the M11 unique, compared to mirrorless cameras. With any mirrorless camera, you have to push a button (Sony, Sigma...) or action a dial (digital CL) to bring up focus magnification when suffice it to turn the focus ring of M, and also adapted LTM lenses, to do the same with the M11. I see no reason why it would be different with the M11-V.

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[jaapv]

Umm.. With my SL + Sigma lens, setting the lens to manual focus will cause using the focus ring to trigger magnification. 

[lct]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

Umm.. With my SL + Sigma lens, setting the lens to manual focus will cause using the focus ring to trigger magnification. 

Not with M and LTM lenses i guess.

[jaapv]

[SrMi]

5 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Umm.. With my SL + Sigma lens, setting the lens to manual focus will cause using the focus ring to trigger magnification. 

Any lens that provides electronic communication will trigger auto magnification. M lenses do not provide electronic communication with the camera and therefore do not trigger auto-magnification with SL cameras.

[pedaes]

3 minutes ago, lct said:

Not with M and LTM lenses i guess.

Talking M cameras, there will obviously be a cam as long as there is a rangefinder. I have never read of this mechanism having an electronic function. Can you provide a reference, please? 

[jaapv]

42 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Any lens that provides electronic communication will trigger auto magnification. M lenses do not provide electronic communication with the camera and therefore do not trigger auto-magnification with SL cameras.

A bit of a push against an open door...  Leica L lenses will only trigger magnification at half-press and focus ring movement BTW. 

[lct]

Just experience with the M11 + Visoflex2. I have currently an old LTM S-A 21/4 on my M11. The simple fact of turning the focus ring suffices to trigger focus magnification. Same with all my M and LTM lenses actually.

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[IkarusJohn]

27 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Talking M cameras, there will obviously be a cam as long as there is a rangefinder. I have never read of this mechanism having an electronic function. Can you provide a reference, please? 

There isn’t one.  The point @lct is making is that using an M camera with the Visoflex attached and an M lens, if you move the focus ring on the lens, the Visoflex automatically switches to magnified view.  Unlike an SL, where you have to press whichever rear button you’ve assigned to magnification.

The point with an EVF M is that, if Leica wishes to retain that “feature” of automatic magnification with M lenses, the camera will need to retain the roller cam for this purpose.  Electronics have nothing to do with it.

If you need proof, try attaching a lens without the focusing flange or whatever it’s called (eg the Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZM) to an M10 or M11 with the Visoflex attached - move the focus ring; no magnification.

Edited September 9 by IkarusJohn