mjw3 Posted October 15 Share #3201 Posted October 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 minutes ago, -ph- said: I never had problems focusing with the RF, but wearing my glasses I struggle to even see the 35mm frame lines. A zoom RF would make me very happy. Otherwise, I am curious what Leica can do with a pure EVF implementation. Fair enough use case, and of course my opinions aren't definitive. I am curious as well, but prepared to be let down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ray Vonn Posted October 15 Share #3202 Posted October 15 1 hour ago, setuporg said: Just a regular reminder that an EVF-M is not really an M, because M means the opposite of EVF. I'm entirely unexcited about it, this whole long thread is sad, and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for indulging this dastartdly bastardization of the Messucher. Also can we please get this stuff out of the M11 forum and into its own new forum, something like "Fake M (GFX100"RF", EVF-"M" etc.)"? (And here's a real big EVF for Leica!) I for one welcome your appearance on this thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted October 15 Share #3203 Posted October 15 I must admit, I do like evf. I like precise framing. I know I can crop, but it is an additional step in post. The camera is interesting to me. But, I won’t buy it at first. The m11 had quite some problems, and I expect the same with this one. I don’t like to spend a bunch of money and then having lots of problems. Sure Leica will solve it, but I don’t want to pay for that part with my time and maybe frustration. Advantage of the m-system is its lenses, whatever brand. The competition for me is a new 907x. It’s not comparable at all, but it is about the same price and I can buy only one. Whatever will be, I guess it is great times for photographers. So many choices. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catacore Posted October 15 Share #3204 Posted October 15 (edited) Don't forget the goal of this thread is to reach 200 pages before the thing gets released! Then, we should start a new one 🙃 Edited October 15 by catacore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 15 Share #3205 Posted October 15 On 10/14/2025 at 11:04 AM, FrozenInTime said: E60 thread is a pain as variable ND standard sizes jump between 58 and 62mm, so an opportunity exists for Leica to sell a ND2->ND32 in E60 ? I use a Heliopan E60 VND. Works great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 16 Share #3206 Posted October 16 6 hours ago, lct said: What's a Messucher? The incorrect spelling of Messsucher. 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted October 16 Share #3207 Posted October 16 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It is hideous…get ready folks. A digital age m5 but uglier. Edited October 16 by dkmoore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted October 16 Share #3208 Posted October 16 No digital M is truly an M because of the ugly brightness sensor on the front of the top plate. The worst thing ever to happen to Leica M! EVER!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 16 Share #3209 Posted October 16 12 minutes ago, raizans said: No digital M is truly an M because of the ugly brightness sensor on the front of the top plate. The worst thing ever to happen to Leica M! EVER!!! Maybe you need to spend more time looking through the camera, and not at it. I never even noticed it until you mentioned it. Form follows function. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirkey Posted October 16 Share #3210 Posted October 16 10 hours ago, setuporg said: Just a regular reminder that an EVF-M is not really an M, because M means the opposite of EVF. I'm entirely unexcited about it, this whole long thread is sad, and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for indulging this dastartdly bastardization of the Messucher. Also can we please get this stuff out of the M11 forum and into its own new forum, something like "Fake M (GFX100"RF", EVF-"M" etc.)"? (And here's a real big EVF for Leica!) Well… In my mind whether it is a M or not, will be decided on what Leica decides to call it…. If I were Leica, I would call it an M11-E because it uses M Lenses, is most likely based/built on the M11 body, and it has an EVF. That would be consistent with the single letter added to variants. One could also argue that the only true M cameras use film and the last true M camera was the M4 made in Wetzlar since it didn’t have a built in meter. The Canadian M4–2 obviously wasn’t truly an M… even though I personally own and love using it) …. Although actually the last true M could be the M2 since it was the last to have a knob rewind…. And since our goal is to get to 200 pages on this thread before the camera is (hopefully) announced… tell me why I am wrong… : ) I’m still excited about whatever Leica is going to announce… and wish I was invited to the event… I really loved visiting Wetzlar and Leica Park, and would go back in a heartbeat. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted October 16 Share #3211 Posted October 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, erl said: Maybe you need to spend more time looking through the camera, and not at it. I never even noticed it until you mentioned it. Form follows function. You don’t mean to say that you actually make photographs with a Leica M do you? This isn’t just a camera. It’s my life, my soul, my very being! Messsucher! Messsucher! Messsucher! Edited October 16 by raizans 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ardinger Posted October 16 Share #3212 Posted October 16 What if Leica made a camera with an M mount that used film, had an optical rangefinder for focusing the lens but did not call it an "M" camera? (see original Leica CL/Leitz-MInolta CL) Seems like only fair play for them to now make a digital camera derived from an "M" body that did not use a rangefinder for focusing but go ahead and call it an "M" camera (also, as pointed out, see M1, MD for sans Messsucher "M" cameras). Realistically the "M" distinction is probably used now more to describe the lens mount than the specific focusing system so if it helps Leica sell more cameras calling this new camera an "M- whatever" (which would help make it clear it has an M mount and uses M lenses without adapters) then all the better. Just trying to help get to 200 pages before next week! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 16 Share #3213 Posted October 16 18 minutes ago, raizans said: You don’t mean to say that you actually make photographs with a Leica M do you? This isn’t just a camera. It’s my life, my soul, my very being! Messsucher! Messsucher! Messsucher! Confession! Yes I do. Naughty corner for me. 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexx Posted October 16 Share #3214 Posted October 16 5 hours ago, dkmoore said: It is hideous…get ready folks. A digital age m5 but uglier. As hideous that nobody would want to steal it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtoleica Posted October 16 Share #3215 Posted October 16 I met up for lunch with a photographer friend on a day off yesterday. I had my M10M with me plus 35 summilux ASPH V1. He has never used an RF and didn’t think he could being L eyed (same as me). I was explaining why I loved it and realised why I do after 15 years of using an M - M9 on. I like that it’s a tactile thing that fits the hand perfectly, is solid and heavy enough to hold steady, that the finder is a view on the world that is always direct and part of the world, not distanced from it, that being ‘precise’ in framing is always relative and that you can guess wider lenses or see around the edges of the 35 and 50 frames, that focus is mostly muscle memory and feel on the tab, the final bit if it matters (wide A) being with the RF patch, that DOF focus, aperture and ISO are physical things to set and see (shame not also EV comp), that there is no need to use the menu, that the back of the camera can be covered in a case and you don’t miss it (should get a D). Most of all it feels like a perfect tool that is simply an extension of my hand and eye, that enables me to be creative in a way that other cameras do not. My Q2 is used like an iPhone for unserious ‘snaps’, will likely sell it and get a colour M for occasional use. EVF M? No thanks. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreiPunkte Posted October 16 Share #3216 Posted October 16 (edited) Just to achieve the 200-page goal Can anyone imagine a lens line emerging on the horizon that marks the entry into the M system? Perhaps in collaboration with another lens manufacturer. With the electronic viewfinder, It is utter nonsense to build lenses with the precision required to couple with the optical rangefinder. With the WYSIWYG picture in an E-viewfinder it is nonsens to calibrate lenses for exact distances. In addition, cheaper material can be used for these lenses because they do not have to remain as precise under changing environmental conditions. Therefore, I consider these lenses to be significantly cheaper to produce. Edited October 16 by DreiPunkte Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 16 Share #3217 Posted October 16 As long as RF cameras will be made, M lenses are supposed to fit both RF and EVF cameras. We're going reach 300 pages if things go on like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted October 16 Share #3218 Posted October 16 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DreiPunkte said: Just to achieve the 200-page goal Can anyone imagine a lens line emerging on the horizon that marks the entry into the M system? Perhaps in collaboration with another lens manufacturer. With the electronic viewfinder, It is utter nonsense to build lenses with the precision required to couple with the optical rangefinder. With the WYSIWYG picture in an E-viewfinder it is nonsens to calibrate lenses for exact distances. So these lenses are much cheaper in production. The Typoch Simera-C is a line of fast cine lenses, available in M mount without RF coupling. These include longer focus throws and more precise distance scales for focus pullling by EVF or large LCD. They cost more than the RF coupled Simera photo lenses. At the other end of the price spectrum, 7Artisans and TTarisans make cheap M lenses. No advantage in Leica OEMing something this low cost. Edited October 16 by FrozenInTime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreiPunkte Posted October 16 Share #3219 Posted October 16 @ Ict Thats no question. For example I love to use my Elmar 3,5 cm on my MD-2 and the lens from 1938 is a ragefinder lens. @ FrozenInTime I think its more a question of produktion numbers. Btw the Leica cine lenses are also mouch more expensive than the normal ragefinder lenses. For example the 'Hugo Line' 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 16 Share #3220 Posted October 16 14 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: I must admit, I do like evf. I like precise framing. I know I can crop, but it is an additional step in post. The camera is interesting to me. Perhaps the EVF-M allows cropping on its LCD. The smartphones are miles ahead of the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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