costa43 Posted February 17 Author Share #601 Posted February 17 Advertisement (gone after registration) If Leica just lump in the Visoflex it will be horsesh%t. Low res, blackout. A really uninspiring experience. Surely they won’t give their flagship range an inferior user experience to the SL and Q. It doesn’t make sense. If they are going to do it, hopefully they do it properly. May 3rd is the 100 year summit, it could be announced then. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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evikne Posted February 17 Share #602 Posted February 17 6 hours ago, Jul said: The 100th birthday Leica I reissue is a fullframe digital camera with a form factor reminescent of its illustre ancestor. Like the 28mm summaron reissue, it now sports a M mount instead of the M39 mount the standardized evolution of the Leica I was issued with and two accessory shoes as in the last incarnations of the I serie. Along comes a new visoflex with smaller size, higher resolution, 1X magnification and no perceptible latency. The 100th birthday Leica I reissue digital version and the new visoflex won't take much place in your photo bag and are the perfect companions to your traditional OVF M camera for those cases a WYSIWYG approach is preferred. Pre-order opening soon. You're kidding, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted February 17 Share #603 Posted February 17 A very important point will be the time of turning on the camera. On the M11, although not immediately, I got used to not turning off the camera and the camera is always ready to shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpau17 Posted February 17 Share #604 Posted February 17 vor 6 Stunden schrieb raizans: Autofocus. A Leica M with autofocus? I think that is technically impossible and is already available. On the one hand we have the Q line and on the other the SL line. With the Q line, I think we see an autofocus solution with the fixed combination of body and a lens - no interchangeable solution and the AF motor will be in the body (I don't have a Q camera, so I'm guessing). With the SL line we have autofocus with interchangeable lenses and here you can see the differences in size with the motors built directly into the lens. I'm not talking about the backwards compatibility of new and old M lenses yet. -thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 17 Share #605 Posted February 17 Reading this thread, rather contrarily, it occurs to me that in the near future the Leica M is likely to be the only full frame digital camera with an optical viewfinder. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17 Share #606 Posted February 17 Are you expecting a sad future for Pixii? . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted February 17 Share #607 Posted February 17 Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 hours ago, Smogg said: @lct How to shoot this on EVF? People don't stand still. (28/f8) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! with a 28 at f8, in reality you just need to set the distance and frame squarely. I have done that in the past with the M10 and the LCD - no problem. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 17 Share #608 Posted February 17 1 hour ago, lct said: Are you expecting a sad future for Pixii? . It was a flippant remark (and notice I said viewfinder, not rangefinder). I've no idea about Pixii (never even got an answer to an email out of them, let alone seen a camera!) but I guess that Canon and Nikon will also carry on for a while with one or two pro bodies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 17 Share #609 Posted February 17 2 hours ago, jonoslack said: Reading this thread, rather contrarily, it occurs to me that in the near future the Leica M is likely to be the only full frame digital camera with an optical viewfinder. The Pentax DSLRs are still alive and probably will continue with the optical viewfinder. They are excellent cameras. Then, we have the Fujis with the hybrid viewfinder. Hopefully, they will continue with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted February 17 Share #610 Posted February 17 He said "hybrid viewfinder" ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 17 Share #611 Posted February 17 I think the hybrid VF that Fuji use could be a very elegant solution for Leica too, with one button that switches through all or some of the available modes. Pure optical finder, standard rangefinder and normal M life. The optical finder with a small corner screen giving you a magnified/focus check section of the frame. EVF with focus peaking EVF with a digital rangefinder patch in the centre EVF with the entire frame showing the double rangefinder image Would that be enough to unite the factions? It's a tough place Leica are in with this one and I don't envy their task of trying to please all of the people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 17 Share #612 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Dazzajl said: I think the hybrid VF that Fuji use could be a very elegant solution for Leica too, with one button that switches through all or some of the available modes. Pure optical finder, standard rangefinder and normal M life. The optical finder with a small corner screen giving you a magnified/focus check section of the frame. EVF with focus peaking EVF with a digital rangefinder patch in the centre EVF with the entire frame showing the double rangefinder image Would that be enough to unite the factions? It's a tough place Leica are in with this one and I don't envy their task of trying to please all of the people. A hybrid viewfinder would be great if it does not compromise the current rangefinder in any way. Technology does not seem to be there yet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 17 Share #613 Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, SrMi said: Technology does not seem to be there yet. Seems Leica need to throw some more money at Fuji then. Someone needs to make such a thing work and they'd be the best bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 17 Share #614 Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Dazzajl said: Seems Leica need to throw some more money at Fuji then. Someone needs to make such a thing work and they'd be the best bet. It's probably a better solution to make two different cameras, otherwise we end up with “the worst of both worlds”. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 18 Share #615 Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, evikne said: It's probably a better solution to make two different cameras, otherwise we end up with “the worst of both worlds”. Is that something Leica can keep doing? Splitting very niche products into smaller runs and more models of even more niche products. I don't really have a dog in this race and am just an observer. There is very little chance of me ever buying a new camera from Leica so they certainly don't want to base any strategies on my thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phojomatic Posted February 18 Share #616 Posted February 18 Having used Fuji X-Pros professionally for nearly 10 years, I actually really hope Leica doesn't copy that system. Either go RF or EVF. Part of the reason that the Fuji optical viewfinder with aides isn't that useful is because on the whole, it's a very small eyepiece. Like looking at a postage stamp....and the SL is a poster, for comparison. What could be cool, and the tech was mentioned about five pages ago, is a hybrid display imposed onto the RF. Leica could maybe get rid of the metal finder masks that light shines through to create line pairs and actually give a single frame (or even pair frame, fine) WITH other info, like what we can see using a visoflex (and toggle that info on/off with the round button on back). I guess a floating histogram might make sense? On the rarest occasions I will turn that on with my Fuji and OVF. Having shot this weekend at night during a weird snow/rain/fog, I was having a tough time focusing on anything between my fogged glasses, RF windows, eyepiece, etc. But zone focus was my friend, so it worked out. I really thought would this be a good situation for a M-EVF, but honestly wasn't feeling a huge yes. When I shoot an M, I have one M....I don't carry a second, so I don't think I would start now. For the above, I think if I had a visio with me, that would have been good enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 18 Share #617 Posted February 18 52 minutes ago, Dazzajl said: Seems Leica need to throw some more money at Fuji then. Someone needs to make such a thing work and they'd be the best bet. According to Leica, « they had conducted extensive trials of a hybrid system, combining both rangefinder and EVF. However, they had reached the conclusion that the result would be the worst of both worlds and would risk upsetting rangefinder fans. So the project had been shelved » (link). Apologies if this has been quoted above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 18 Share #618 Posted February 18 14 minutes ago, lct said: According to Leica, « they had conducted extensive trials of a hybrid system, combining both rangefinder and EVF. However, they had reached the conclusion that the result would be the worst of both worlds and would risk upsetting rangefinder fans. So the project had been shelved » (link). Apologies if this has been quoted above. That is a great shame but to be fair, they also said that it wasn't possible to fit a full frame sensor into an M body at one time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb Posted February 18 Share #619 Posted February 18 Just give us two designs electronic like the SL series “with ibis” and the standard M rangefinder… Robb 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted February 18 Share #620 Posted February 18 The IBIS may not fit into the M body. I'd hope otherwise, however. We will see. Leica tried to integrate an EVF into the rangefinder body some time back, but not to the level they would be satisfied (at the present state of technology). In the end, the M needs to feel and operate like an M. The curse of an icon. The introduction of a parallel model in my eyes is a smart move to test the waters and experiment with classic rangefinder digital focussing aids. Maybe I should be saving up for it ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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