evikne Posted February 8 Share #181 Posted February 8 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, SrMi said: Or maybe make it a bit thicker, like M240? God forbid! 🙀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edax Posted February 8 Share #182 Posted February 8 (edited) Pictures of the IBIS / sensor assemblies of Sony A1 and Nikon Z9; a lot of miniaturization has to be performed before one of these will fit into the M. And no, given the M-mount register of 27.8mm there is not enough room behind the sensor in the current M bodies... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 8 by Edax 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419064-why-the-m-needs-ibis/?do=findComment&comment=5754109'>More sharing options...
BradS Posted February 9 Share #183 Posted February 9 On 2/7/2025 at 3:36 PM, pippy said: A discussion of 'Where and When Did Porsche Get It Wrong With the 911?' would lead to a thread so long it would make every "Which Strap Should I Use?" thread pale by comparison... Philip. No. actually the answer is simple: after 1989. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 9 Share #184 Posted February 9 (edited) On 2/7/2025 at 11:36 PM, pippy said: A discussion of 'Where and When Did Porsche Get It Wrong With the 911?' would lead to a thread so long it would make every "Which Strap Should I Use?" thread pale by comparison... On 2/8/2025 at 12:15 AM, pippy said: ...my own view (is) that Porsche got the 911 series absolutely right in the years betweeen 1969 and 1973 14 minutes ago, BradS said: No. actually the answer is simple: after 1989. "Quod Erat Demonstrandum".... 😸 Shall we start a new thread on the tribulations of the 911 so as to allow this one - regarding IBIS - to carry on its inevitable and futile journey towards polarity? Philip. Edited February 9 by pippy 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 9 Share #185 Posted February 9 If it involves Wilson sharing his vast experience and entertaining stories, then yes please do! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 9 Share #186 Posted February 9 vor 12 Stunden schrieb Edax: Pictures of the IBIS / sensor assemblies of Sony A1 and Nikon Z9; a lot of miniaturization has to be performed before one of these will fit into the M. And no, given the M-mount register of 27.8mm there is not enough room behind the sensor in the current M bodies... It may help, that the flange focal distance of Sony E-Mount and Nikon Z-Mount is shorter. But if you do without a mechanical shutter, it should be possible to flip that construction so that the sensor sits behind the mechanics (with a hole large enough to let the light pass through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichie Posted February 9 Share #187 Posted February 9 Advertisement (gone after registration) very happy to read the Leica Rumor article on the EVF and no buttons on the rear with a large screen [like the T which I still have]. Sounds perfect for me - a modern digital M, and my M11 can go to someone who loves the rangefinder. IBIS is a nice to have for me but not essential. Its the EVF I need for framing and focus like the SL [it was a revelation to use the M lenses on the SL, except the size of the body never worked for me]. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 9 Share #188 Posted February 9 The M camera doesn’t need stabilization. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 9 Share #189 Posted February 9 Gerade eben schrieb jdlaing: The M camera doesn’t need stabilization. Why? Does it have higher ISO capabilities than all others? Or does it have an invisible tripod? Or is it the only system with users that can hold the camera and trigger the shutter without shake? Looks like, that you don't need stabilization but can you speek for everyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted February 9 Share #190 Posted February 9 13 hours ago, pippy said: "Quod Erat Demonstrandum".... 😸 Shall we start a new thread on the tribulations of the 911 ... ? Philip. Although I may not be able to participate in a meaningful way, I think it is an interesting conversation....and incidentally, the 1969-1973 timeframe you mention is also an interesting period generally but specifically, with respect to automobiles, there's probably a very rational case to be made for just about every car sold in the US, both imports and domestics, during that time period. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 9 Share #191 Posted February 9 What about comparing 2cv to 4L? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted February 9 Share #192 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, jdlaing said: The M camera doesn’t need stabilization. Agreed. Part of why I love the M is that I feel if take a decent shot, I have been a part of the process. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 9 Share #193 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: Looks like, that you don't need stabilization but can you speek for everyone? The RealLeicaMan has rock solid hands hence doesn't need IBIS 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 9 Share #194 Posted February 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: Why? Does it have higher ISO capabilities than all others? Or does it have an invisible tripod? Or is it the only system with users that can hold the camera and trigger the shutter without shake? Looks like, that you don't need stabilization but can you speek for everyone? I don’t think many cameras “need” stabilisation at all - that why we have shutters … Edited February 9 by IkarusJohn 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 9 Share #195 Posted February 9 At least it didn't need stabilization until they started putting way too many MP into it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarbSpieler Posted February 9 Share #196 Posted February 9 10 hours ago, jrichie said: very happy to read the Leica Rumor article on the EVF and no buttons on the rear with a large screen [like the T which I still have]. Sounds perfect for me - a modern digital M, and my M11 can go to someone who loves the rangefinder. I don't think it's a replacement for the M rangefinder line, but it could be an interesting development. Somewhat new, between the M and Q. Leica kind of cornered itself with the M10. The M10/-R is very close to being a perfection: classic dimensions, stunning files, pure classic rangefinder experience, direct tactile control over the essentials, omission of non-essentials. I believe it's a timeless camera already. But once you hit that sweet spot, where do you go next? The M11 is proof of that struggle. More flexibility—but at the cost of purity and simplicity that made the M10 special. Great camera, but have they really made a better M than the M10-R? Or just a different one? Without a major tech breakthrough, Leica is stuck tweaking details rather than making meaningful improvements in their M rangefinders. In my opinion, the M10 was the last natural evolution of the classic M. Everything after feels like an attempt to justify a new model, rather than a necessary step forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 9 Share #197 Posted February 9 M-EVF camera should be in pink only so we can instantly identify and ostracize photographers who are not using the correct M camera. 🤣 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 9 Share #198 Posted February 9 28 minutes ago, evikne said: At least it didn't need stabilization until they started putting way too many MP into it. A 16MP sensor also benefits from IBIS. A high-resolution camera like the M11 can be used in 18MP mode. A 24MP camera cannot be used in 60MP mode. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 9 Share #199 Posted February 9 21 minutes ago, SrMi said: A 16MP sensor also benefits from IBIS. Yes, but there is a difference between “benefit from” and “need”. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 9 Share #200 Posted February 9 The sensor resolution has nothing to do with the question, how a camera can benefit from IBIS (or OIS) - as long as we don't talk about options for cropping (which also amplifies lateral/angular movement). If you throw the sensor capabilites into this discussion, only an increased ISO performance can replace the need for an IBIS. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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