evikne Posted January 12 Share #41 Posted January 12 Advertisement (gone after registration) 26 minutes ago, Tseg said: I bought an M11 because I kept reading how amazing Leica color science was, only to learn in these forums that their color science ain’t so good. I then bought a 50mm Summilux as I read it was the most magical Leica lens, only to read on these forums that the 50mm APO Summicron is the one to get. Why is everything in these forums counter to the mainstream view? 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charlesphoto99 Posted January 12 Share #42 Posted January 12 Keep in mind, if one finds they are in a situation where they need f1.4, the 50 APO is no longer 'king.' For my money, the 50 Lux asph (v1), the 50 Lux pre-asph (last version) and my 50 2.8 Elmar (latest) are all more than 'good enough.' 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 12 Share #43 Posted January 12 I was just out for a walk and thinking about this discussion. I have the Summicron 50mm V5 which is practically glued to my M10M, so I thought I'd snap a shot or two wide open to demonstrate a real world application. It's inconceivable to me that anyone would really need more resolution than what this lens provides on the M10M. I've previously had both the black anodized and black chrome versions of the 50 APO and I prefer the rendering of this 50mm V5. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418469-best-resolution-m10r50mm-f2-apo-vs-m11p50mm-f2-v5/?do=findComment&comment=5738427'>More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 12 Share #44 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, fotografr said: I was just out for a walk and thinking about this discussion. I have the Summicron 50mm V5 which is practically glued to my M10M, so I thought I'd snap a shot or two wide open to demonstrate a real world application. It's inconceivable to me that anyone would really need more resolution than what this lens provides on the M10M. I've previously had both the black anodized and black chrome versions of the 50 APO and I prefer the rendering of this 50mm V5. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Very nice rendering! And I hope Bear will come back home. 😢 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 12 Share #45 Posted January 12 33 minutes ago, evikne said: Very nice rendering! And I hope Bear will come back home. 😢 Thanks. So do I. It's getting very cold here. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m410 Posted January 13 Author Share #46 Posted January 13 First, thank you to all who shared their photographic experiences and knowledge. I have always thought of photography as sort of a team sport with the players being the photographer and the other being the camera. The photographer is generally in charge of selecting the subject, content, composition, artistic judgement or taste. The camera being responsible for applying the photographer's choices as accurately as possible. As soon as the shutter is pressed it is up to the selected lens with the selected camera to process or capture the expected exposure, contrast, color, focus and detail in the image. It may not sound artistic but all photographic images are subject to camera's manufacture's standard of precision and applied mathematics during design. Math is involved every time we activate a shutter and it seems reasonable to generously consider our equipment's mathematical properties. I have made the artistic decision that I would like to increase the detail in some of my images. I have decided to go the 50mm f2 APO Summicron with my eye possibly on the expected M12. Oh and just like my Kodak Instamatic 304, I will be keeping my 50mm Summicron v5... Again Thanks, David 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 13 Share #47 Posted January 13 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) About the camera question from M10 to M11. Is 60Mp really better than 24Mp for the 24/36 format? Will the M12 offer 100Mp and the M13 150Mp? Of course, one can argue about the word "better". Edited January 13 by jankap 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 13 Share #48 Posted January 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, jankap said: About the camera question from M10 to M11. Is 60Mp really better than 24Mp for the 24/36 format? Will the M12 offer 100Mp and the M13 150Mp? Of course, one can argue about the word "better". This being a camera specific forum, we are by definition a gear oriented group. There's nothing wrong with that. We're using some of the highest quality equipment available. But I also feel that we often make the mistake of thinking more megapixels and higher resolution will make our photographs better, when the reality is that what will give us better results is improving our vision and technique. I know several Leica photographers who are intentionally a few generations behind, still using the M9, M8 and older glass, and are producing incredibly high quality images. Getting a new camera or lens is exciting and motivates us to get out and produce images. That is, in and of itself, beneficial, but real improvements in our work come from within--not from the gear. **I don't mean this as a criticism directed at the OP and his lens decision. It's just a general observation based on my personal experience.** Edited January 13 by fotografr 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 13 Share #49 Posted January 13 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb fotografr: **I don't mean this as a criticism directed at the OP and his lens decision. It's just a general observation based on my personal experience.** I only wanted to add a general remark in this thread. If you redirect to post 13, I would say, that the decision of the OP for the lens is optimal. According to the first paragraph of your post, you are of course right, but that is another chapter. Edited January 13 by jankap 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m410 Posted January 14 Author Share #50 Posted January 14 (edited) No problem taken and I think we are on the same page. There is a saying "It is a poor workman who blame his tools" however, it doesn't hurt to use a Stiletto TIBONE professional hammer. Edited January 14 by m410 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14 Share #51 Posted January 14 6 hours ago, m410 said: ..... however, it doesn't hurt to use a Stiletto TIBONE professional hammer. I prefer to use an Estwing 16oz Claw Hammer. Gives much less of a magenta shift when I hit my thumb! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 16 Share #52 Posted January 16 On 1/14/2025 at 4:56 AM, Corius said: I prefer to use an Estwing 16oz Claw Hammer. Gives much less of a magenta shift when I hit my thumb! I'm sure Leica-wielding artisans will find the hugest-priced hammer available! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted January 16 Share #53 Posted January 16 My personal hammer, if I was only allowed one hammer, would be the M11M and 35mm summilux. The picture's not in the camera it's in the subject, the story, the feeling and that combination gives me the best chance of recording that. Unless of course the subject is a Ducati on a race track;-) It all depends on your interests. There is no best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 16 Share #54 Posted January 16 On 1/13/2025 at 8:50 AM, jankap said: Of course, one can argue about the word "better". Well I understand what 'better' means. The question is; at 'what'? 'What' needs defining because 'better' requires an objective measurable. Real world photography though, rarely has such measurables, unless the 'what' is obviously wrong. I have varyious diferent MPixel cameras. My highest MPiexl camera is the least used and I really don't see any significant advantage when I do use it given that I am unlikely to need its resolution making huge prints, and I don't crop. Subjectively though MPixels are a measurement of a camera's prowess ..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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