NEW: Leica M11 and Noctilux-M 50 f/1.2 ASPH. as Glossy Black Edition

[aficionados]

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1 hour ago, algrove said:

I only commented since you said USD8300, not euros 8300.

Isn't euro 7500 same as usd 8300 anyway?

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Just received my m11 black paint today.  Note that it does not come with the FOTOS cable or the charger.  Quality is very similar to my m10-R Black Paint.  Will likely sell my m10-R because I prefer the m11 series. 

[algrove]

2 hours ago, aficionados said:

Isn't euro 7500 same as usd 8300 anyway?

My point is the M11 BP Glossy retail price in the US is $9195, no where near USD8300 you quote, so one must assume the price you indicate is a discounted price. That's all.

[KEL]

Am 27.11.2024 um 17:28 schrieb hdmesa:

Yeah, if it were limited to 200 pieces, we'd see the edition numbering on the lens – "001/200".

I picked up my M11BP (Glossy Black Paint) two days ago. For me an absolute beauty. Although slightly heavier than normal black versions (being brass top and bottom).

I know my German Leica dealer since a long time and I found him always very well informed and totally reliable. And perfectly honest, never trying to (over)sell. Sometimes even discouraging me from a buying idea which doesn’t make sense to me. In short: for me absolutely trustworthy.

His statement: the new M11BP is not officially limited, but production amount exactly like the M10-R BP. Not numbered but factually limited. 

[CV33]

The paint on the M11 BP closely matches the M10-R, though it lacks the thickness and glossiness of older M6 Black Paint variations. The lens paint is a near-perfect match to the Millennium Editions, and the inclusion of a glossy back cap is a welcome addition. It's clear that Leica has listened to its customers and made the Black Paint finish accessible to a wider audience.

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26 minutes ago, KEL said:

...His statement: the new M11BP is not officially limited, but production amount exactly like the M10-R BP. Not numbered but factually limited. 

The M11 BP will probably be limited to the number of leftover M11 bodies they need to sell 😁

And that could end up being fewer than the M10-R BP for all we know.

[jaapv]

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First let’s get rid of the word “paint”. Nobody in Wetzlar is waving a brush or spraygun around. This is a synthetic, probably baked-in coating 

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1 hour ago, jaapv said:

First let’s get rid of the word “paint”. Nobody in Wetzlar is waving a brush or spraygun around. This is a synthetic, probably baked-in coating 

 

On the Leica USA store, Leica refers to the M11 matte black as a coating. But they call the glossy black M11 finish a paint. Paint as a noun, not a verb. Who knows how they handle the application and finishing process. 

[jaapv]

Maybe, but the real paint basically ended  with the M4-2. Actually  am fine with the nomer paint, but it has developed over the years. 

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6 hours ago, algrove said:

My point is the M11 BP Glossy retail price in the US is $9195, no where near USD8300 you quote, so one must assume the price you indicate is a discounted price. That's all.

No it's not. That's how VAT works in Europe. It's a regular price buying from an authorized dealer without paying VAT. It has to been shipped outside of the EU of course. When it's entering North America, how much tariff to be paid is a pure luck/skill/relationship/audacity.

 

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Thank you! Could you share your thoughts on the aesthetic differences between the glossy black paint finishes of the M10-R and M11? I'm particularly interested in the quality and application of the black paint on these models. Personally, I find the M6 LHSA sets the gold standard for black paint finishes.

[tobiasfjp]

Here's a strange request; would one of you mind putting the rear lens cap of the black paint 50/1.2 on a scale (in grams)? Very curious about the weight versus previous brass black paint rear lens caps.

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vor 10 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

First let’s get rid of the word “paint”. Nobody in Wetzlar is waving a brush or spraygun around. This is a synthetic, probably baked-in coating

What makes you think this isn't "paint"?

Surely nobody is using a brush in the traditional sense, but on the Leica Germany website they do specifically use the word for "lacquer" in regards to the new body & lens.

Baked in or not baked in, to me it very much looks like true lacquer, not like some sort of coating. 

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2 hours ago, T I N O said:

What makes you think this isn't "paint"?

Surely nobody is using a brush in the traditional sense, but on the Leica Germany website they do specifically use the word for "lacquer" in regards to the new body & lens.

Baked in or not baked in, to me it very much looks like true lacquer, not like some sort of coating. 

Normally it will be glossy powder coating  As I said, it is highly unlikely that Leica employs an army of painters  Previous models turned out, when viewed under the microscope to look like being powder coated  As I said I don’t really care what it is called, after all “piano finish” is called lacquer as well. 

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3 hours ago, jaapv said:

Normally it will be glossy powder coating  As I said, it is highly unlikely that Leica employs an army of painters  Previous models turned out, when viewed under the microscope to look like being powder coated  As I said I don’t really care what it is called, after all “piano finish” is called lacquer as well. 

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All I know is when I hear about a new gloss black M camera, I hear The Rolling Stones Paint it Black start playing in my head, and I reach for my credit card.

[algrove]

On 11/28/2024 at 9:15 PM, aficionados said:

No it's not. That's how VAT works in Europe. It's a regular price buying from an authorized dealer without paying VAT. It has to been shipped outside of the EU of course. When it's entering North America, how much tariff to be paid is a pure luck/skill/relationship/audacity.

 

I know all this, but the cost to ship has not been included (when buying from Wetzlar at least) and also once Wetzlar never reduced their price by the VAT amount on expensive used lenses which really irked me (since they did just months before on another purchase) so if available in the US I'd rather buy here.

I also found that UPS wants to charge a processing fee and at times also has DHL. On top of that, it comes down to how the seller's invoice is translated to who ever clears the item.

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2 hours ago, algrove said:

I know all this, but the cost to ship has not been included (when buying from Wetzlar at least) and also once Wetzlar never reduced their price by the VAT amount on expensive used lenses which really irked me (since they did just months before on another purchase) so if available in the US I'd rather buy here.

I also found that UPS wants to charge a processing fee and at times also has DHL. On top of that, it comes down to how the seller's invoice is translated to who ever clears the item.

Certain sellers are willing to claim whatever the values I ask them. Others don’t. So that comes to the relationship part.

Sometimes the customs believe whatever the value claimed on paper. Sometimes they don’t. So that comes to the luck part.

So far I have been lucky for the past 5 purchases from Europe.

The most recent ones:

Q3-43, €5600 shipped, FedEx charged $56

M11 glossy black, €7500 shipped, FedEx charged $75.

I’m willing to the take the risk to save a few thousand $$$ on each purchase.

Besides, I don’t buy from Wetzlar directly. I found the most difficult sales people in the world to deal with when negotiating the price in that order: Germany, Austrian, Japanese.🤪

Spanish, Italian, Dutches are easier to deal with 😛

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by aficionados

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30 minutes ago, aficionados said:

I’m willing to the take the risk to save a few thousand $$$ on each purchase.

Taxes are for a reason.