M10-R Black Paint buying advice

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Am 21.9.2024 um 17:49 schrieb slavcho:

..  Can someone help me with advice - keep the M10 with the lenses or jump on the m10-R Black Paint I always wanted? 

You answered your question already, you're just seeking the forum's blessing. You always wanted a BP, so go for it.

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[wizard]

Am 21.9.2024 um 17:49 schrieb slavcho:

Now I can get one from someone I know for 8400 euro in almost brand new condition.

Seriously? That kind of money will buy you a new M11, which in many ways is a better camera. And let's face it, digital bodies will never be good long term investments, unlike some film bodies. Save your money and invest it into something which improves your photographic results.

[Crem]

On 9/21/2024 at 8:49 AM, slavcho said:

Hi. I had M10-r Black Paint in the hands right after it was announced but din't buy it because my budget was tight. I have regretted this ever since. Now I can get one from someone I know for 8400 euro in almost brand new condition. In order to finance it I have to part away with my M10, my 21 Super-Elmar and my 50 Summilux Asph. (all bought used in 2019). So for the next 2 years I have to use the Black Paint with some Voigtlander lenses. Can someone help me with advice - keep the M10 with the lenses or jump on the m10-R Black Paint I always wanted? 

My advice is to decide if you want to collect it or use it. To me it sounds like you are trying to both. The Leica doctors on this forum have informed me that this leads to pain, suffering, missed photos, and potentially a collectible that gets damaged.

[newtoleica]

45 minutes ago, Crem said:

My advice is to decide if you want to collect it or use it. To me it sounds like you are trying to both. The Leica doctors on this forum have informed me that this leads to pain, suffering, missed photos, and potentially a collectible that gets damaged.

Agreed. I impulse purchased an M6TTL Millennium Black Paint in 2020. Boxed, unused. It was beautiful thing to look at and use. I had to get it serviced as the speeds were all over the place. I took it out once and realised it wasn't a tool I could use as I would be afraid of putting a mark on it. I sold it. I could have kept it unused and eventually made a profit on it, but I'm not a collector. Collecting and using shouldn't be mixed up......

[T25UFO]

6 hours ago, Al Brown said:

M10-R Black Paint bodies go from 10.000 euros to 12.500 euros on official Leicashop Classic Online store webpage, I have pasted the screenshots in the forum recently under the relevant topic, pasting again here just FYI. The market regulates itself and dictates its own dynamics, regardless what we say here.

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The Mayfair camera has been there for months, maybe the market hasn't regulated itself yet 🙂 but I like your optimism.  If someone offered me £12,000 for my M10R BP then I would definitely sell.  It's a huge premium for a camera that's exactly the same as the regular model underneath.

Schouten Select have one priced at €10,500 with a shutter count of only 1147 (Mayfair camera is 3814) which does suggest both Leica Store cameras are over-priced.

[T25UFO]

15 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

At least three I marked from Leica web store and two others from dealers I follow have sold for 10K or more. And one has sold for 8500. Not too shabby.

Yes, I would say 8.5k to 10k (€ or $) is about where the market is but £12k is over $16k at current FX rate.  That’s why it’s still sitting on the shelf in Duke Street.

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On 9/22/2024 at 12:10 PM, slavcho said:

 I will use it while it’s getting nicer till the electronics die.

thats what you told yourself when you got the M10 as well, didnt you? 😆

[slavcho]

32 minutes ago, overexposed said:

thats what you told yourself when you got the M10 as well, didnt you? 😆

Something like this 🫣

[otto.f]

12 hours ago, slavcho said:

Something like this 🫣

Except that there was never an M10 in BP. So, if this is about the same, we’re just talking about GAS. But: “Ladies and Gentlemen, greed is good…”.

Edited September 24, 2024 by otto.f

[theseahawk]

On 9/21/2024 at 11:49 AM, slavcho said:

... Now I can get one from someone I know for 8400 euro in almost brand new condition... 

Being able to inspect and handle the camera in person goes a long way towards alleviating the concerns one has with buying one long-distance.

Do you have to sell your M10 and lenses at retail prices separately or are would you be trading them in directly to the seller of the BP?

Edited September 24, 2024 by theseahawk

[pippy]

Late to the party but if I were you and had always really wanted the B-P then, without a doubt, I'd go for it.

Who cares that the images captured by the B-P are no different than those captured by similarly-spec'd cameras regardless of finish? In comparison to the body in question lenses - unless particularly desirable / rare / vintage - can come and go. Neither of the lenses you mention in the OP are truly in that 'rarity' category. They can be bought once again with no great financial offset.

Get what you Really Want before it passes you by. Life's short. Have fun.

Philip.

[Fred Miranda]

58 minutes ago, pippy said:

Late to the party but if I were you and had always really wanted the B-P then, without a doubt, I'd go for it.

Who cares that the images captured by the B-P are no different than those captured by similarly-spec'd cameras regardless of finish? In comparison to the body in question lenses - unless particularly desirable / rare / vintage - can come and go. Neither of the lenses you mention in the OP are truly in that 'rarity' category. They can be bought once again with no great financial offset.

Get what you Really Want before it passes you by. Life's short. Have fun.

Philip.

100%. If you find the glossy black paint appealing, the M10-R BP is one of the most beautiful Leica M cameras ever released. I believe it’s even more stunning than the M-D and MP black paint bodies, which I also own. With the M10-R BP, you also get a highly capable sensor that rivals the M11 series, especially if rangefinder focus and composition are your main interests. I previously owned the M10-R, but I’m much happier shooting with the BP. The only downside is that it’s so beautiful that I tend to treat it with kid gloves.

[jakontil]

1 hour ago, pippy said:

Late to the party but if I were you and had always really wanted the B-P then, without a doubt, I'd go for it.

Who cares that the images captured by the B-P are no different than those captured by similarly-spec'd cameras regardless of finish? In comparison to the body in question lenses - unless particularly desirable / rare / vintage - can come and go. Neither of the lenses you mention in the OP are truly in that 'rarity' category. They can be bought once again with no great financial offset.

Get what you Really Want before it passes you by. Life's short. Have fun.

Philip.

This to sum it all up!

[slavcho]

12 hours ago, theseahawk said:

Being able to inspect and handle the camera in person goes a long way towards alleviating the concerns one has with buying one long-distance.

Do you have to sell your M10 and lenses at retail prices separately or are would you be trading them in directly to the seller of the BP?

Thank you alI for your honest opinions! I traded my M10 in perfect condition and I might be able to keep one of the lenses after selling other old equipment. The BP is in absolutely new condition, no dents, just one tiny mark in the lack (no brassing). The price was fair in my opinion and couple of potential buyers didn't buy it because the original box is missing. I don't care as I intend to use it and I don't see it as some kind of investment to trade later. In the end, I got an upgraded camera, not just only a different paint. Yes, I could have bought a silver m10-r and saved 2k, but I couldn't resist the BP for a second time. Surely not the smartest decision financially, but I can't wait to get out and shoot.

[theseahawk]

Congratulations! It’s great to come across a fair deal on your dream camera and be in a position to take it. I too have a 50 Summilux-M on an M10-R Black Paint and love the combination. 

[slavcho]

1 hour ago, theseahawk said:

Congratulations! It’s great to come across a fair deal on your dream camera and be in a position to take it. I too have a 50 Summilux-M on an M10-R Black Paint and love the combination. 

Black or chrome? Mine is 11892 chrome...

[otto.f]

19 hours ago, slavcho said:

Thank you alI for your honest opinions! I traded my M10 in perfect condition and I might be able to keep one of the lenses after selling other old equipment. The BP is in absolutely new condition, no dents, just one tiny mark in the lack (no brassing). The price was fair in my opinion and couple of potential buyers didn't buy it because the original box is missing. I don't care as I intend to use it and I don't see it as some kind of investment to trade later. In the end, I got an upgraded camera, not just only a different paint. Yes, I could have bought a silver m10-r and saved 2k, but I couldn't resist the BP for a second time. Surely not the smartest decision financially, but I can't wait to get out and shoot.

Congrats and good light!

[SJH]

On 9/23/2024 at 2:23 PM, Al Brown said:

M10-R Black Paint bodies go from 10.000 euros to 12.500 euros on official Leicashop Classic Online store webpage, I have pasted the screenshots in the forum recently under the relevant topic, pasting again here just FYI. The market regulates itself and dictates its own dynamics, regardless what we say here.

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

These haven't moved in months, BP digital camera's I don't believe have a long lasting value unlike the film stuff. I swapped out my M10R BP for my M11's (M & P) don't regret it. Take a BP into a Leica store and find out how much you'll get for it, not even half the above so this is just window dressing by Leica to try and make a point. The one in Mayfair has sat there for ages and isn't really mint, scratches etc. So if you can buy one around the original list price then that's fair value!

Edited September 26, 2024 by SJH

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[T25UFO]

24 minutes ago, SJH said:

These haven't moved in months, BP digital camera's I don't believe have a long lasting value unlike the film stuff. I swapped out my M10R BP for my M11's (M & P) don't regret it all, BP to my mind is too flashy but whatever floats your boat. Take a BP into a Leica store and find out how much you'll get for it, not even half the above so this is just window dressing by Leica to try and make a point. The one in Mayfair has sat there for ages.

Something I have said repeatedly - see post 41 above and here in a different thread.

Of course if someone would like to offer me GBP 12,000 for my very lightly used, no brassing, perfect condition M10R BP, all boxed and with extra batteries, I will sell and even pay the postage 🤣

[SJH]

20 hours ago, slavcho said:

Thank you alI for your honest opinions! I traded my M10 in perfect condition and I might be able to keep one of the lenses after selling other old equipment. The BP is in absolutely new condition, no dents, just one tiny mark in the lack (no brassing). The price was fair in my opinion and couple of potential buyers didn't buy it because the original box is missing. I don't care as I intend to use it and I don't see it as some kind of investment to trade later. In the end, I got an upgraded camera, not just only a different paint. Yes, I could have bought a silver m10-r and saved 2k, but I couldn't resist the BP for a second time. Surely not the smartest decision financially, but I can't wait to get out and shoot.

Congratulations and you bought it at a very sensible price, current trade in price for one in the UK is about £5-£6k so I think you've done very well there, sort of list for a mint one. The happier you are the more likely you'll use it