Q3 with 43mm APO f2

[snz]

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1 hour ago, T25UFO said:

45 posts in less than a day for a product that doesn't exist and is a figment of someone's imagination; promoted by a website for clicks that has a history of regularly getting things wrong.  What a joke!

Leica Rumours regularly getting things wrong? Which parallel universe are you from? 

[jaapv]

Reality. Their track record is rather variable. 

[Le Chef]

2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

The q45 will come, somehow, you wont be happy, but many will.

Whether it comes or doesn’t come makes no difference to me.

[Le Chef]

2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

But the rumor is persistent and makes sense.

Where is it persistent? Why from a business perspective does it make sense?

[Le Chef]

BTW if you want this 40-50mm f2 lens to be APO, then look at the price of the M version: $9250 if you can find one. And that’s before you reengineer the whole camera, shutter mechanism and OIS system to work as they do in the current Q design format. 

[Dr. G]

3 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

BTW if you want this 40-50mm f2 lens to be APO, then look at the price of the M version: $9250 if you can find one. And that’s before you reengineer the whole camera, shutter mechanism and OIS system to work as they do in the current Q design format. 

When this rumor started about a year ago there was someone here who apparently had first hand knowledge of what this rumored camera was.  At the time I asked if it would be an APO lens and received a pretty solid “no.”  But who knows.  

[LocalHero1953]

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For those suggesting they would rather have a M or a Sony A7x with a 40mm lens........

A Q is not just a compact full frame camera. It is a compact, svelte-design, full frame camera with a fast lens, a near silent leaf shutter, stabilisation, fast flash sync and semi-macro ability. (And no heritage baggage, looking at you, M).

I'm sure a Q3-43 would sell well, though I'd hope the lens is not significantly longer.

I have a Q2, which serves its purpose. I doubt I would swap, but if the Q2 died, picking a replacement might be hard choice.

[jaapv]

23 minutes ago, Dr. G said:

When this rumor started about a year ago there was someone here who apparently had first hand knowledge of what this rumored camera was.  At the time I asked if it would be an APO lens and received a pretty solid “no.”  But who knows.  

Well, the Summilux 50 M asph is an APO lens. 

[T25UFO]

2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

 Neither the q3m, m11d, and whatever exists and have more posts. UFO’s dont exist either. …

Hmm . . . well I haven’t seen a dedicated thread on this forum specifically for the Q3M, but please point me in the right direction as I would be interested in participating.

The specs for the M11D have been published - quick start guide and the full manual - then someone presumably at The Mothership must have realised the error and it disappeared.  But I still have my copy 🙂

Not aware of a UFO thread on this forum either.  Maybe you should start one 🤣

[wlaidlaw]

I don't think I will be in the queue for this camera. Three reasons. 1) I already have a Q3. 2) My favourite focal length is 35mm and if they had brought out a 35, I would have been sorely tempted to part ex my 28 Q3, even though I already have a 35 APO sitting on my M10-R. 3) I have just bought a Funleader Leica M conversion of a new and unused Zeiss Contax 45mm/f2, again one of my favourite lenses of all time and the Funleader is as well made and the RF focus as accurate as any other Leica lens I have. The 43mm would be too close to that. 

Wilson

[JaeR]

I understand the appeal, I learned photography with a nifty 50mm lens. Leica seems to be aiming at photographers who favor the 50mm focal length. When I check Lightroom for my most-used focal lengths, they are 35mm and 85mm. Even when using my Q3, I often find myself cropping to 35mm.

[Stuart Richardson]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

I hardly think that  less than a dozen positives in a rumours thread in a specialized forum of Leica geeks constitutes a solid market survey. The Q lens, shutter and sensor are one integrated unit Change the lens --> redesign the whole unit --> rewrite the firmware. But then - I completely misjudged the Monochrom in 2012. 

Leica did a market survey, if I recall correctly, but perhaps I am misremembering. In any case, you are right, but this is also one of the places that Leica looks to for research, that is quite clear. I am sure they were also paying attention to the excitement and commercial success of Ricoh GRIIIx cameras, so successful that they are still out of stock today, three years later. 
 

As for the changes, I really don’t think it is a particularly big challenge. Leica has to do this for every lens they design. It was particularly hard with 28mm, but more standard lenses are easier to design.

As for the sensor, it would be the same sensor as they have used in the M11, SL3 and Q3, so I doubt they would need to do much other than just input the lens shading and distortion corrections. I am sure most of the work would be in making the lens, not fitting it on the body. Leica is probably the most experienced lens maker in the world when it comes to compact, high quality mirrorless lenses. I would be astonished if they could not do this fairly readily. They did the 40mm f2 Summicron ages ago. Ever see the lens in a minilux or Leica CM? They are tiny full frame 40mm summarits. Since then they have 30-50 years more modern lens design skills. If they want to do this, they can.  

 

[robb]

I’m excited about this release.  We have all beat this horse to death in a number of previous threads.  Some will always want it.  Some won’t.  Main difference on this “news” is the APO designation…

that should hook many more of the SL system users over to the fold because of the stellar apo’s in our systems in that model line.  Better than the apo m designs and at half the price… now we’ll have to see what price the Q3-40 comes in at but I would guess similar to the Q3-28.  One of the detractions for Q3 28 has been said that that lens can’t keep up with the 60mp.  So I would guess Leica is responding to those naysayers and future proofing for the long haul.  I’d expect future Q models to add the apo to the wider focal length… you know progress……

Robb

[jaapv]

Well, Leica will do what they will do, whatever we think or say. The only signs of a release are Leica Rumours reporting somebody’s phantasy. No registration reported, no carefully timed “leaks”  And Leica running behind in some more likely releases, Q3  Monochrome, SL3S, M11 variants, some kind of replacement for the CL… But granted, they may surprise us, it would not be the first time  

Personally I don’t see much sense in such a camera, but clearly some others do. 
Like others I cut my photographic teeth on 50 mm but lately I find myself gravitating to 35 and 24. 50 has basically turned into a short Tele for me. 

[Le Chef]

1 hour ago, robb said:

One of the detractions for Q3 28 has been said that that lens can’t keep up with the 60mp.

I’ve yet to read anywhere that is the case. Reviews like DPR have praised it in the Q3. “the Q3 adds access to a tilting screen, phase detect autofocus and a 60MP sensor that squeezes even more out of the already sharp 28mm lens.”

Edited August 26, 2024 by Le Chef

[Le Chef]

2 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I am sure most of the work would be in making the lens, not fitting it on the body

This has been explained many times before: the lens contains the OIS mechanism, and the lens contains the leaf shutter mechanism. And all of that is built into the camera to mate up with the sensor whose position is optimized precisely as there are no interchangeable lenses and no lens mount. It’s like a Russian Doll.

Just because the GRIIIx is selling like hotcakes is because at 1/6th the price of the Q3 it’s a bargain. That doesn’t mean a $6500 - $7500 camera with a fixed 40mm lens is going to sell well despite the echo chamber here saying so. 

I’m pretty sure Leica knows this forum is a small % of all Leica sales and owners. Assuming they are one and the same is a classic marketing flaw that clients make and then pay the price for.

Edited August 26, 2024 by Le Chef

[Dr. G]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Leica/comments/1f0ztpl/ama_new_leica_q_with_43mm_apo_cron/

One user there is posting as if he’s seen the actual camera, commenting on the physical characteristics and the lens (says it has no macro ring).  Take it with a grain of salt.  

[Le Chef]

That’s hilarious! Someone is flying a kite! You see this repeatedly when an enthusiast jumps on the bandwagon, claiming they’ve seen the new car/motorbike/four wheeler/watch/amplifier/original master of the next Taylor Swift album…and yet they can’t offer any real proof.

[Pelu2010]

Hi, 

 

I see the new Q3 40 as an addition to the Q 28.

you go to a shot and the 28 is for the environmental images 

and the 40 mm for the rest. 
 

with the Macro you can get near to a face for portraits and if you need you turn it into a 80 mm by cropping. 
 

two light cameras with the same speedlight settings sound good to me. 
 

I would love to test the camera. ☺️

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[jaapv]

7 hours ago, Le Chef said:

I’ve yet to read anywhere that is the case. Reviews like DPR have praised it in the Q3. “the Q3 adds access to a tilting screen, phase detect autofocus and a 60MP sensor that squeezes even more out of the already sharp 28mm lens.”

Agree. It is nonsense anyway. A lens  does not "keep up" with a sensor. Sensor and lens form one imaging system. improve one component - improve the whole system. Even the results from a mediocre lens will improve on a better sensor.