Did the Firmware update 2.1.2 finally solve your freezing problems?

[Al Brown]

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[lct]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Did the Firmware update 2.1.2 finally solve your freezing problems?

No sorry. Got minor freezes under fw 2.1.1 associated with dust protection apparently. See below. I thought the glitch was fixed under fw 2.1.2 in the first place but i got it again the same way as previously. Setting dust protection to off seems to fix the issue at first glance but i need to test it to be sure. I keep my tip 6 for now anyway. 

 

[Al Brown]

Sorry to hear it.

[lct]

Just shot a couple hundred snaps under fw 2.1.2 with no problem at all but dust protection was off, which would confirm dust protection is the culprit.

[kiwidad]

2 hours ago, lct said:

Just shot a couple hundred snaps under fw 2.1.2 with no problem at all but dust protection was off, which would confirm dust protection is the culprit.

were you using a coded lens?

[lct]

Yes.

[lexffm]

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After two days you can't say anything. Another problem that occasionally occurred before, but now seems to have gotten much worse. On the M11M and the M11-P on day 1 after the update, the shutter button continued to fire even though I had no longer pressed it (in fast burst mode). I only noticed this after taking about 80 pictures because I took photos in “e-mode”.

Edited August 4, 2024 by lexffm

[Malabito]

2 minutes ago, lexffm said:

After two days you can't say anything. Another problem that occasionally occurred before, but now seems to have gotten much worse. On the M11M and the M11-P on day 1 after the update, the shutter button continued to fire even though I had no longer pressed it (in fast burst mode). I only noticed this after taking about 80 pictures because I took photos in “hybrid mode”.

I have the same impression. The shutter control was terrible on the previous firmware versions. Unless you used single shot, the shutter would just continue shooting after you released your finger. This would not happen continuously.

It seems like with the new firmware version, it is as bad or worse.

 

[Knorp]

Crikey - keeps firing after releasing the shutter button ? Mmm, looks like they built in (more) delays further affecting this issue.

Perhaps the remark in the release notes affects more than only the activation process ... 🤔

Known errors
• The camera activation process may delay in rare instances.

[Smogg]

The problem that the camera continues to shoot in Continuous Hi when the shutter button is released has always been with me on all M11/M11-P with any firmware.

This is a programming bug. A variable like “isShutterPressed” is checked less often than necessary.

Edited August 4, 2024 by Smogg

[lct]

On 8/2/2024 at 9:13 PM, lct said:

Just shot a couple hundred snaps under fw 2.1.2 with no problem at all but dust protection was off, which would confirm dust protection is the culprit.

Not so sure. Happened again to me twice with dust protection off. Popping out the battery did nothing but popping out the card fixed the issue. UHS-II Delkin Power (64gb) in my case. I'l see if the problem persists with UHS-I cards an will report for those interested.

Edited August 4, 2024 by lct

[hdmesa]

3 hours ago, lct said:

Not so sure. Happened again to me twice with dust protection off. Popping out the battery did nothing but popping out the card fixed the issue. UHS-II Delkin Power (64gb) in my case. I'l see if the problem persists with UHS-I cards an will report for those interested.

Cards can become corrupt in the M11 without the M11 complaining about it until you have a functional problem. I know this because I bought a new Nikon Zf, and I moved over the Sandisk card from my M11M to it (64gb, UHS-II, fastest version), formatting it in the Zf menu. After a few shots, the Zf would either freeze or return a card error message. Swapping out that card for a regular speed UHS-II Sony Tough worked perfectly without issue in the Zf.

Not sure if the card in question was at fault or if the previous M11M firmware shenanigans resulted in corruption not fixable by reformatting in camera.

Point is, you may want to try a UHS-II card that you've never used in the M11 before and possibly mark the ones you have used as suspect. Perhaps reformatting them with a long-format in SD Formatter on the computer would find and write-out any bad sectors, IDK.

[hdmesa]

8 hours ago, Smogg said:

The problem that the camera continues to shoot in Continuous Hi when the shutter button is released has always been with me on all M11/M11-P with any firmware.

This is a programming bug. A variable like “isShutterPressed” is checked less often than necessary.

The processor + buffer + firmware (any one or any combination thereof) could be slowing down taking shots already accepted as needing to be taken. It may sound like semantics, but it's something different wrong with the camera when you're comparing that to the possibility that it keeps registering phantom shutter presses after the shutter is released.

[Knorp]

35 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

The processor + buffer + firmware (any one or any combination thereof) could be slowing down taking shots already accepted as needing to be taken. It may sound like semantics, but it's something different wrong with the camera when you're comparing that to the possibility that it keeps registering phantom shutter presses after the shutter is released.

Good point - the camera is buffering the activations, starts processing them but can't complete the shots within the time the shutter button is pressed.

I wonder if other cameras can handle this better, but I have yet to try this with my Sony and/or Fujifilm cameras.

Now the M11 has the Maestro III processor whereas the SL3 has the more recent Maestro IV.

Perhaps comparing apples to oranges, but could it be the Maestro III is too slow for the M11's 60 MP sensor ?

[Knorp]

FWIW - I can't replicate this delayed behaviour. In Continuous high speed mode - keep the shutter button pressed, the red light turns on, then the buffer fills up (writing to SD card) and the camera stops taking images. After a few seconds the red light turns off, but no additional images are taken.

[Smogg]

In the case of my cameras, this has nothing to do with the buffer being full and can occur when the buffer is empty. It occurs irregularly after short presses of the shutter button. It is possible that it depends on the complexity of the scene. In addition, I have highlight metering, which may also create additional load on the processor.

However, I do not complain about such behavior of the camera, I have already gotten used to small bugs in Leica cameras. The main thing is if they finally fixed the problem of freezing. I hope that 2.1.2 will help me with this, I have not tested this firmware yet.

 

Edited August 4, 2024 by Smogg

[hdmesa]

33 minutes ago, Smogg said:

In the case of my cameras, this has nothing to do with the buffer being full and can occur when the buffer is empty. It occurs irregularly after short presses of the shutter button. It is possible that it depends on the complexity of the scene. In addition, I have highlight metering, which may also create additional load on the processor.

However, I do not complain about such behavior of the camera, I have already gotten used to small bugs in Leica cameras. The main thing is if they finally fixed the problem of freezing. I hope that 2.1.2 will help me with this, I have not tested this firmware yet.

 

Not sure that rules out the SD card “stuttering” because of bad sectors or some other SD write issue. I assume you’ve tried all sorts and brands of SD cards, including using tbe overwrite format option with SD Formatter software on the computer on your SD card?

[Smogg]

5 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Not sure that rules out the SD card “stuttering” because of bad sectors or some other SD write issue. I assume you’ve tried all sorts and brands of SD cards, including using tbe overwrite format option with SD Formatter software on the computer on your SD card?

It definitely doesn't depend on the memory card, since the same thing happens when shooting on the built-in memory

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[hdmesa]

7 minutes ago, Smogg said:

It definitely doesn't depend on the memory card, since the same thing happens when shooting on the built-in memory

Side thought: Makes me wonder how the camera deals with the internal memory over time. Like all other solid state drives, inevitably it will develop bad sectors with that will need to be avoided during read/write access. Some sort of low level format function via the app would be a logical solution.

Edited August 4, 2024 by hdmesa

[Smogg]

11 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Side thought: Makes me wonder how the camera deals with the internal memory over time. Like all other solid state drives, inevitably it will develop bad sectors with that will need to be avoided during read/write access. Some sort of low level format function via the app would be a logical solution.

I have 3 new Sandisk 256, 2 old Sandisk 128, 2 old Sony 128 - all UHS-2 300Mb/s. There were 2 M11, now 1 M11 and 1 M11-P. In any combination, with any cards and with internal memory, the behavior was identical. 
I can hardly imagine how many M11 and cards would need to be purchased to make the testing look valid😀