Touch screen and focus nightmare

[Larzac]

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I guess I'm not the only one: using the touch screen of make focus in LV mode is awful because of the wandering cross which never where I need it, that is most part of the time in the middle! The right thumb is too close to the lcd and move the point in the upper right corner. 
After more than one year of intense use of the M11 it still bothers me. 
Please Wetzlar, an option to lock the focus point...

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[newtoleica]

It’s a rangefinder…. Why? Baffled by this I’m afraid. 

[lct]

Easy fix. I simply toggle LV off and on (2 clicks on the fn button) and the focus point returns right now to the middle.

[jdlaing]

Use the rangefinder.

[Larzac]

13 hours ago, newtoleica said:

It’s a rangefinder…. Why? Baffled by this I’m afraid. 

It's a rangefinder with a very useful liveview (below 65cm focusing with some lenses, for instance). Do you never use it?...

[Larzac]

13 hours ago, lct said:

Easy fix. I simply toggle LV off and on (2 clicks on the fn button) and the focus point returns right now to the middle.

You're right. But I would prefer to have a fixed focus area (as an option) instead of clicking three times (one for the get liveview on and two to get the cross home...) each time I want to focus on the LCD (even though I use the RF most of the time). 

[lct]

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17 minutes ago, Larzac said:

I would prefer to have a fixed focus area (as an option) instead of clicking three times (one for the get liveview on and two to get the cross home...)

2 clicks only for me: LV off and LV on. The 2nd click is enough to get the cross home. Last time i did it at least. I have not my M11 on hand but i will try it again and report here if i'm wrong.

[lct]

See @hdmesa's post here.

[newtoleica]

2 hours ago, Larzac said:

It's a rangefinder with a very useful liveview (below 65cm focusing with some lenses, for instance). Do you never use it?...

No. I have a Q2 if I want to do macro. The M excels at rangefinder street and reportage. Its perfect for that.

[wizard]

Just that I understand correctly, the M11 is a manual focus camera. So by "focus point" do you guys mean the area that gets magnified in LV once you turn the focus ring of the lens attached to the camera? And if so, in case the focus point is not where you would like it to be, why not simply touch the screen once to position the focus point where you want it to be?

[hmzimelka]

Yoone can also can program any of the FN Buttons to "Centre Frame" which immediately centres the crosshair in Live View, magnified or not.

Edited July 22, 2024 by hmzimelka

[JNK100]

I too am confused as the M is a RF camera with no AF even using LV.

It's just not that type of camera for what you want I am afraid.

Best

Jeff

[hdmesa]

Nothing to be confused by.

A properly adjusted rangefinder is in some situations less than accurate:

— wide aperture + close distance + focus point is well off center (need to zoom in to focus away from center)

— focus shift (may not need to move focus point away from center, but live view is still required)

Being able to adjust and recenter the point to which magnification occurs is needed, even on M.

Edited July 22, 2024 by hdmesa

[chris7273]

23 hours ago, newtoleica said:

It’s a rangefinder…. Why? Baffled by this I’m afraid. 

Because I can… 

[bcaslis]

11 hours ago, Larzac said:

You're right. But I would prefer to have a fixed focus area (as an option) instead of clicking three times (one for the get liveview on and two to get the cross home...) each time I want to focus on the LCD (even though I use the RF most of the time). 

To try and actually answer the question, there was a change made I think in FW 2.0 that when you turn off LV, the cursor resets to the center. I only turn on LV when I want to use close focus. So if you turn it on and off as needed this is not an issue.

I looked to see if there is a setting for this, but I don't see one.

[lct]

I seem to have said it above or elsewhere but it is easy to assign LV to a function button. Then press that button off and on and the focus point will return automatically to the midddle.

[LikameLeica]

On 7/22/2024 at 5:11 AM, Larzac said:

I guess I'm not the only one: using the touch screen of make focus in LV mode is awful because of the wandering cross which never where I need it, that is most part of the time in the middle! The right thumb is too close to the lcd and move the point in the upper right corner. 
After more than one year of intense use of the M11 it still bothers me. 
Please Wetzlar, an option to lock the focus point...

I posted this on another string, but feel it also relevant to this post.  

First off, this is only for users that want to use EVF or LV.  This of course does not apply to range finder focusing.

To help control the random movement of the focus aid point, I actually prefer to use the setting under the "Customize Control" menu submenu "Touch Mode" and set this to "Off (LV Mode)"  This turns of the touch screen in Live Mode, but still allows you to move the magnification focus point with the Directional Pad on back of camera.  I general keep the focus point in the middle of frame, meaning when I focus the camera then zooms in on the focus point, which stays in the center of frame unless I manually move with the directional pad.  I then can recompose after focusing is set on the point I want.  I should note that I also have the "Focus Aid" as "Automatic".  This is found under the "Capture Assistants" menu.  This means that the when I begin manually focusing the screen automatically zooms in and I can control the amount of zoom with the Thumbwheel.  The camera remembers the last zoom % as well.  For example, if the last time I manually focused I had the magnification at max amount it will go straight to the maximum zoom, I can then zoom in/out using the Thumbwheel.  Hope that makes sense. This has solved my issue with the focus point inadvertently getting moved around through accidentally touching the LCD screen while carrying camera.  As a side note, if you are viewing your images in playback on the LCD screen, you can still use the touch screen for zooming in, scrolling, etc. 

My customized setting for the three function buttons are as follows:

• I have top function button programed to Live View which allows me to quickly turn LV on and off.
• I have the "back wheel" set-up for ISO and leave the ISO setting in "M" mode.
• I have the back FN button set-up for "Exposure Metering" allowing me quick access to change metering mode.

Everyone has different preferences, but for me this works well.  That is the beauty of the ability to customize the function buttons on the M11 and SL series cameras for me.

[Larzac]

On 7/22/2024 at 4:27 PM, hmzimelka said:

Yoone can also can program any of the FN Buttons to "Centre Frame" which immediately centres the crosshair in Live View, magnified or not.

You're right. Probably the best way to avoid this issue. But still, I would largely prefer to choose an always in the center option!

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[kiwidad]

On 7/21/2024 at 2:11 PM, Larzac said:

I guess I'm not the only one: using the touch screen of make focus in LV mode is awful because of the wandering cross which never where I need it, that is most part of the time in the middle! The right thumb is too close to the lcd and move the point in the upper right corner. 
After more than one year of intense use of the M11 it still bothers me. 
Please Wetzlar, an option to lock the focus point...

Turn off touch screen. All the cross does is give an exposure spot in spot mode and when using the magnifier focus aid it’s where it zooms too! I have never left touch screen turned on even on my q2 for this nose touch issue

[brickftl]

1 hour ago, kiwidad said:

Turn off touch screen. All the cross does is give an exposure spot in spot mode and when using the magnifier focus aid it’s where it zooms too! I have never left touch screen turned on even on my q2 for this nose touch issue

exactly, that is the only function of placing the cross on the touch screen. I think the OP doesn't understand, instead thinking that he's setting focus