I see many used M11's out there for sale with major camera retailers in the US, would you be

[SrMi]

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31 minutes ago, trickness said:

I don't have an M11. As I mentioned previously, every single photographer I know in NY who uses one has had issues of some kind or another, from mild to disastrous. There's a guy on YouTube who's been through 7 or 8 M11's, and even bought a brand new M11P at B&H in a video and it failed on a shoot within an hour. He returned it and got an SL2, which gave him no problems. I have two SL2's which have given me no problems and I use them 3-4 days weekly, one since launch. For M, I have an MP film camera, no interest in M digital or using an EVF on a rangefinder body.

The reason I ask how you shoot is that there seem to be no commonalities amongst those who've had problems, although using off brand SD cards, or the Leica Foto app, or Bluetooth seem to asking for trouble. Given that you're in a fairly select group of people who claim zero issues on two bodies, thought it would be helpful to understand how you use your 11's as maybe you're doing something different that is less likely to cause trouble and that would be useful information. 

I found it curious that people complaining loudest about M11 instability, which is an issue, are those who do not own an M11.

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[lct]

Users of trouble free M11s appear to be the majority here so the more relevant question is not what we do to have a faultless camera but what complainers are doing to have issues we don't have. For instance, using uncoded lenses like coded ones and/or forgetting to disable auto review in burst mode and/or other behaviours contrary to Leica's instructions or recommendations.

[geoffc60]

Mine is absolutely perfect.

 

Edited May 12, 2024 by geoffc60

[trickness]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

I found it curious that people complaining loudest about M11 instability, which is an issue, are those who do not own an M11.

And I find it curious that some people get bent when others mention problems with their new toy, like they’re a parent being told they have an ugly baby.

Ignore the f$ckton of posts here (including by people in this very thread!) about freezing and bricking and weird exposures and shutter failures, etc. Ignore the YouTube videos that many people have had with M11 variants. Ignore my reasonable request to share your settings that are apparently working for you in the interest of may be spreading some knowledge that might alleviate some problems for others. 

You’ve got a really cute baby. No, really.

Edited May 12, 2024 by trickness

[LeicaR10]

Trickness,  Your post #26 is priceless!  I LMAO...   Put another way, you can put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig.  My "Once upon a time" story began and ended with 3 pigs too.  For AllenB, it will get down to the famous movie line from a Clint Eastwood movie;  "Do you feel lucky?"  if you go the route in your OP tread.  My 3 pigs story was no fairy tale.  For now, the M10s and SL2(s) are my most reliable and trouble free cameras.  It would be nice if I had a much better ending for the fans of fairy tales...and I am happy the big bad wolf didn't get their cameras too.   r/ Mark

[AndrewPiper]

For someone who is very new..and I mean VERY new this picture manufacture hobby it does scare me a little..ok maybe a medium amount about the issues with I did think was the Everest of cameras. 

I have purchased a used [10/10 according to the shop] M11. Its currently holidaying in Germany as I type this. It has been provided with a 3 month warranty from the shop.  In fairness I have laughed alot at some of the recent comments here from folks who have M11s and I think some who know others who do that have had issues...a little un-nerving once again. These are 16[+/-] K here in NZ..so basically the top of the tree, or maybe thats what one would think based on the $$ required to be the owner of said camera.  

I do have a few reservations about reliability which no one who buys such an item should have. Ok.. this is well trodden ground quite clearly but surely they should have done all the field testing before product release..So says me who has NO idea about product testing!

I would have thought that the 8 was better than the 7...the 9 was better than the 8..the 10 was better than the 9...etc etc.. It doesnt seem to be that was or maybe I have it all completely wrong. 

Either way I have paid the money so await the arrival and hope I have a good one...

[Malabito]

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Talking about problems, I rarely have freezing issues, but yesterday I encountered my first corrupted file. At least the JPEG was in the internal memory.

[Malabito]

5 hours ago, SrMi said:

I found it curious that people complaining loudest about M11 instability, which is an issue, are those who do not own an M11.

I do own one and share the same experience as the poster. Of all the Leica M11 users I know personally, (around 10, from different parts of the world) most have issues.

 

Given that you are one of the few who doesn't, would you mind sharing how you set the internal + SD card option as the shooting continues setting? My camera rarely freezes, but it does, and yesterday I got my first corrupt file. Leica has a disaster on its hands with the M11. And unless they come out with a solution and include some good marketing with it, the M11's resale value will go down the drain. Its unnaceptable that such an expensive camera was released the way it was,  and after two years no solution.  Sadly I think we won't get one,  2 years to solve a software issue? No way,  this definitely looks like a hardware one.

 

Thanks.

Edited May 12, 2024 by Malabito

[Franky]

I also have to replace the Bluetooth element on the m11m, and that in 10 days including shipping.
The m11 has no problems at all despite intensive use.
That's how it was with the m10 and 10-r.

As I read this, I noticed that many friends and acquaintances are writing who are having problems.
The “owners” have fewer problems
 

Franky

[Smogg]

Gentlemen, please stop beating a dead horse. Leica has already promised to release new firmware this month. We've waited so long, so let's wait a few more days.

 

I myself have made quite a lot of noise on this forum. But I set myself the task of drawing the manufacturer’s attention to the problem. Now that everyone knows that Leica’s attention is completely focused on this problem, let’s just wait a little.

Edited May 12, 2024 by Smogg

[costa43]

I assume they are releasing something this month to coincide with the release of the  m11-d. Freezes would be even less welcome on that camera. Leica need to pull their fingers out and invest some of their record profits into general aftercare. The brand is becoming a bit of a joke in this department. 

[Derbyshire Man]

Not predicting a viable solution one way or another but in investing the time to buy is when the fear is greatest😆

[S Maclean]

For what it's worth, I have no issues with my copy.  

[BillCB]

I have an M11 (13 months) and an M11-P (5 months) and have had no problems with either. They  have shot over 3000 frames and have been totally reliable.

[Malabito]

5 hours ago, BillCB said:

I have an M11 (13 months) and an M11-P (5 months) and have had no problems with either. They  have shot over 3000 frames and have been totally reliable.

3000 shots in 13 months is really not much, so perhaps you've just been lucky. That's a very low number of images.

How do you have the storage options set up, internal and SD card, and what resolution are you shooting for JPG and RAW.

It seems like most of those who say they have no issues don't use the camera very much.

Thanks.

[WvE]

Whether or not the M11 is flawed, the reputational harm is done. The only remedial steps Wetzlar can take is to come with a fix-all firmware update, or bring fast forward the M12.   

[Malabito]

2 hours ago, Al Brown said:

Those are the numbers for both 😁

Then, sadly, the fact that your camera hasn't frozen doesn't mean it works. It means you haven't really used it. I put in almost that amount in a month... and yes, mine has frozen, not often, only a couple of times, but this is still unacceptable. I never had this issue with the M240 or M10, and even worse, last weekend I got a corrupt file.

You also didn't mentioned how you have the memory setup. Just for curiosity.

 

Leica has a disaster on its hands. They will need a magical firmware update and some good advertising to mitigate the harm done...

[Herr Barnack]

1 hour ago, Malabito said:

...Leica has a disaster on its hands. They will need a magical firmware update and some good advertising to mitigate the harm done...

Leica has released firmware updates, but beyond that they have exhibited little to no concern for those who are stuck with defective and dysfunctional M11 cameras. 

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[SrMi]

32 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

Leica has released firmware updates, but beyond that they have exhibited little to no concern for those who are stuck with defective and dysfunctional M11 cameras. 

In your view, how should Leica "exhibit concern for those who are stuck with defective and dysfunctional M11 cameras?" A broken camera should be replaced by a dealer. Leica is working on fixing the issues, accepting bug reports, and collecting freeze data. The next step would be Hara-kiri, which does not fit Wetzlar's culture 🤣.

Yes, the M11 should have been much more stable at the launch than it was/is, even though I belong to the many who do not have any issues with the camera.

[ianforber]

5 hours ago, Malabito said:

Then, sadly, the fact that your camera hasn't frozen doesn't mean it works. 

I’ve had my M11 since it was launched and I wouldn’t be surprised if I’d shot around the same number of shots as @Al Brown. I’m not sure it’s fair to say that my camera can’t be said to work. I pick it up. I press it’s buttons and it does what I want and expect without any problem. It might not be statistically significant but it works. Have I got this wrong? I am comparing it to a car - some people drive many more miles a year than others but if the person who drives say 10,000 miles a year has a car that motors along without a problem, surely that car works?