Hole in R5 Shutter

[Kex]

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Hey, I bought a completely fine R5 a few days ago and shoot a couple rolls. 
 

The first 2 Rolls were perfect but the other ones showed stripes. 
 

so I checked my camera and I found a little hole in the shutter. It definitely wasn’t there when i bought the Camera. 
 

But I thought Sun couldn’t burn a Metal shutter ?! 
 

so what do you think caused this problem and is there a chance to fix it ?  

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[jaapv]

Welcome to the forum, Sorry for the reason.  
Titanium burns easily, especially when thin…You need to take similar precautions as with a cloth shutter.
 

You are in a bit of a pickle now as there are no spare parts for R series cameras so a replacement is impossible. Maybe someone can fill the hole without impacting the smooth running of the blades. 

[adan]

How does an SLR shutter that has a reflex mirror in front of it get sunburned?

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Was the mirror lockup left open for some reason?

I shot film SLRs for 35 years and never worried about the shutter getting burned.

To me, the hole is a indentation/crater, suggesting the shutter was punctured - and short of a very-high-power laser impulse, I can't see light alone doing that.

[250swb]

I don't have an R Leica but as I understand it the 'hole' is supposed to have a sort of rivet/grommet in it but I can't quite see from the photo if it's there or not. Can you see daylight through the hole if you take the lens off and lock the mirror up? If the rivet is there you are OK in that regard and you should look for failed foam light seals for the streaking problem, and that's an easy DIY job.

Edited May 15, 2024 by 250swb

[wizard]

Am 10.5.2024 um 23:25 schrieb Kex:

The first 2 Rolls were perfect but the other ones showed stripes. 
 

so I checked my camera and I found a little hole in the shutter.

The R5 shutter moves vertically, not horizontally. The stripes you mentioned, do they run in vertical or horizontal direction? And does their position coincide with the position of the "hole" in the shutter? If the stripes run horizontal and if their position does not coincide with the "hole", then the "hole" is not the culprit. As others have said, this does not look like a hole to me anyway, but more like one of the fastening points between the shutter arms and shutter leafs.

[wagner]

i would as well assume, that the "hole" is actually a tiny rivet. You can see that on any similar shutters in charged position (Seiko MFC). 

I would assume, that the film window light seal needs to be replaced. A common issue with these cameras after 40 years....guess, you still get these seals from Leica. Got mine some years ago even for free...

Regards,

Torsten

Edited May 15, 2024 by wagner

[250swb]

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You can get a pre-cut light seal kit on eBay or buy a sheet of the foam material and cut your own. The most difficult part is removing the old gunk.

Edited May 15, 2024 by 250swb

[David Weber]

This is not a hole. Every R5 shutter looks like this. I think it's part of the mechanism that moves the shutter blades.

[250swb]

@Kex In an earlier post I said I didn't have an R Leica, but long story short I do now, and it's an R-E based on the R5. Outwardly it is like new but the first thing I noticed when inspecting it was that the light seals have the consistency of hot tar so if they haven't been replaced yet on your R5 I'm even more convinced the streaks are a light leak from the seals. It would make sense if it's been unused for years it may work ok the first time but then by changing films you squidge the seals down and light comes in.

[earleygallery]

It would be helpful to post a photo so we can see the effect on your images to advise more accurately.

As above the most likely cause is the light seals on the back or film window.

[Eclectic Man]

I wonder what the shutter looks like form the other side? The, photograph does not appear to show heating damage, I would expect to see some discolouration. Also is the shutter cocked?

I have an R5 myself, but it is currently loaded, so I cannot check what mine looks like, I'll have a look when I've finished the film (but don't hold your breath).  I have changed the foam light seal on the window which shows the film canister, after that did cause some fogging.

[fsb]

Please Check the light sealings surrounding the Window for the film 

[250swb]

3 hours ago, Eclectic Man said:

I wonder what the shutter looks like form the other side? The, photograph does not appear to show heating damage, I would expect to see some discolouration. Also is the shutter cocked?

I have an R5 myself, but it is currently loaded, so I cannot check what mine looks like, I'll have a look when I've finished the film (but don't hold your breath).  I have changed the foam light seal on the window which shows the film canister, after that did cause some fogging.

The OP is showing is a rivet in the shutter mechanism and thinking it is a hole. If there are 'stripes' on the film is will be a light leak from a degraded light seal.

[Eclectic Man]

I finished my film this morning, so was able to take a photo of my R5's shutter (cocked):

It appears that yours is missing a vital element.  I hope you can get it fixed.

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[250swb]

18 hours ago, Eclectic Man said:

I finished my film this morning, so was able to take a photo of my R5's shutter (cocked):

It appears that yours is missing a vital element.  I hope you can get it fixed.

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Try looking much more closely at the OP's photo.