Any M10/-P/-R users tempted by the SL3?

[01af]

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vor 23 Stunden schrieb Chaemono:

Brief, firm denials can be indicative of suppression. 

Can be ... yes.

But many if not most deniers carefully did consider the alternatives—and hence deny due to thoughtful consideration.

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[JoshuaR]

I’m not tempted by the SL3, which is too expensive for me, but by the SL2-S, which is now affordable. I have an M6 and 35mm Cron v3 that I never use—I’ve basically stopped shooting 35mm film—and I’ve been considering trading them both for an SL2-S to use alongside my M10-R and M10M.

The main attractions for me would be an EVF + long telephoto for my son’s soccer games, and the ability to shoot video with my M lenses. I don’t really know anything about videography, but I think I’d enjoy learning to make beautiful family movies. But a few things stop me: (1) I don’t want to complicate my life by taking on a new skill, when I’m still trying to improve as a photographer; (2) I don’t want to spend more time in front of a computer than I have to, and video editing is time-intensive; and (3) I find myself wondering if I’d rather trade my M6 towards a Noctilux or other exotic M lens. (I can get along okay with a 90mm for kids’ sports.)

Time and time again I’ve learned that I just prefer the M system, despite all its quirks and shortcomings, and unless a camera offers some decisive and unique selling point—like the super-small size of the Ricoh GR series—then I’ll always end up picking up the M instead. This turned out to be true with the Q series, and I suspect it’ll end up turning out to be true for the SL cameras as well if I buy one. So I’m almost certain to stick with my Ms and trade my M6 in toward a lens.

Edited April 10, 2024 by JoshuaRothman

[Ralf]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb 01af:

Can be ... yes.

But many if not most deniers carefully did consider the alternatives—and hence deny due to thoughtful consideration.

Exactly right, couldn't agree with you more.

[rpsawin]

3 hours ago, 01af said:

Can be ... yes.

But many if not most deniers carefully did consider the alternatives—and hence deny due to thoughtful consideration.

Much like buying a tool at the hardware store...I want a hammer and will pass on the screwdriver regardless of the manufacturer and how it is packaged. When I want to purchase a screwdriver I'll consider it.

[01af]

vor 26 Minuten schrieb rpsawin:

Much like buying a tool at the hardware store ...

Exactly. The SL is the hammer and the M is the screwdriver.

[ksrhee]

Definitely Not!  I have no interest in the SL line.  I have the Nikon 850 sitting in my closet, and haven't used it for several years.  So, why would I purchase another gear that will just sit in my closet.  If I need to use the SL type of camera, I can always take out my Nikon D850 & shoot.  

[Lelmer]

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No...why should I? M bodies are the best for M lenses.

[strangeboy]

Ah... this.
I've been an M shooter since 2016.
M9, M240 (not exactly a love connection), M10-R.
My only other cameras were the Pentax 645N and the beautifully compact Pentax ME Super (I still shoot film), and an indestructible Pentax K3 dslr. I tell myself the K3 is a back-up camera, even though I only shoot it just to make sure it still works.

The M10-R is a truly beautiful and capable thing.
In a weird way, it feels like the end of a particular line of M cameras.
The M11 seems different.
I have no desire to own an M11.

All of that said... I use my cameras for work and play. I shoot a wide variety of subjects and I'd been considering the "Swiss Army Knife" nature of the SL line. So, when the SL3 hit the streets, I went looking for a new SL2. I've spent the last few weeks with it, shooting M lenses using the Leica M-L adapter. I cannot lie, the SL2 is a wildly useful tool.

• IBIS
• Adjustable Diopter - I'm far sighted
• Super sharp EVF - 5.7 million dots
• Max Electronic Shutter Speed 1/40,000 sec - leave the ND filters at home!
• Shooting my M and LTM lenses effortlessly
• Customize the viewfinder to give as much or as little info as you like

I could go on.
The SL2 is exactly the Swiss Army Knife I thought it would be.
And I'm currently in the process of returning it.

I gave it the college try.
It's not an M... that's all I can say.
I thought about keeping it around for those moments when its functionality might be a better fit. But allowing over $5,000 worth of camera equipment to sit like a Shelf Queen waiting for her shining moment, ain't exactly my thing.

As I was cleaning it up to repackage it, I whispered "It's not you, it's me..."
🙄

Edited April 11, 2024 by strangeboy
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[kivis]

Of course I am tempted. but I am a Leica M guy through and through. The M10 suits me just fine.

[Photon42]

Not really. I have at some point decided to stay with Nikon when it comes to that camera type. The Z line works well enough with Leica lenses relevant for me and their lens line-up is more than sufficient for my purposes. If at all, I would look to buy a used SL or SL2. Service turnaround with Leica is also a big issue for me. 

[T25UFO]

Not for me.  I tried the original SL and sold it; had second thoughts and bought the SL2 and sold it.  I will stay with M10R and M11 Mono.  Oh, and the Q3 is nice.

[Wildcolugoman]

On 4/10/2024 at 11:15 PM, JoshuaRothman said:

I’m not tempted by the SL3, which is too expensive for me, but by the SL2-S, which is now affordable. I have an M6 and 35mm Cron v3 that I never use—I’ve basically stopped shooting 35mm film—and I’ve been considering trading them both for an SL2-S to use alongside my M10-R and M10M.

The main attractions for me would be an EVF + long telephoto for my son’s soccer games, and the ability to shoot video with my M lenses. I don’t really know anything about videography, but I think I’d enjoy learning to make beautiful family movies. But a few things stop me: (1) I don’t want to complicate my life by taking on a new skill, when I’m still trying to improve as a photographer; (2) I don’t want to spend more time in front of a computer than I have to, and video editing is time-intensive; and (3) I find myself wondering if I’d rather trade my M6 towards a Noctilux or other exotic M lens. (I can get along okay with a 90mm for kids’ sports.)

Time and time again I’ve learned that I just prefer the M system, despite all its quirks and shortcomings, and unless a camera offers some decisive and unique selling point—like the super-small size of the Ricoh GR series—then I’ll always end up picking up the M instead. This turned out to be true with the Q series, and I suspect it’ll end up turning out to be true for the SL cameras as well if I buy one. So I’m almost certain to stick with my Ms and trade my M6 in toward a lens.

I'm somewhat in this predicament.

Currently using the m10 with a visoflex and adapting the leica r 135mm lens to capture my kid's softball games. Looking through the visoflex helps. Liveview on the rear screen is not friendly to aging eyesight and glare of the sun. Somehow there's a lag between shutter presses. So it's not really intuitive and not ideal.

Now the SL seems 'affordable'.... And it's tempting.

But the question on whether I'm tempted to go SL3? Nope. 

[newtoleica]

On 4/11/2024 at 4:04 AM, strangeboy said:

And I'm currently in the process of returning it.

 

To anyone non-US this will seem an utterly bizarre concept.... You buy it its yours (unless faulty).

How can you possibly use something for a few weeks then 'return it'?

[Robert Blanko]

The SL3 is still too heavy and chunky for my taste and my M10Rs do very well.

For non-M-type photography applications, I still have my Nikon F-mount and Z-mount system. As long as Leica does not offer wildlife tele lenses like the light Nikon 400/4.5 and other light lenses, or allows using them on an SL3, I could not justify an SL3.

[adan]

1 hour ago, newtoleica said:

To anyone non-US this will seem an utterly bizarre concept.... You buy it its yours (unless faulty).

How can you possibly use something for a few weeks then 'return it'?

Well, it depends on whether something is new or used (OP didn't say).

For used, at least 14-day return privileges are fairly standard. Some allowed up to 21 days.

https://www.keh.com/faq#:~:text=At KEH%2C it is our,of delivery for a refund.

I know less about new policies (haven't bought that much new gear in decades), but in general if the item is returned "indistiguishable from new" (all packaging and documentation) and not yet registered for warranty with the manufacturer, something similar may apply.

https://www.askhandle.com/blog/bh-photo-video-return-policy#

It is up to the stores to set their own policies. But in a large and competitive marketplace, "customer satisfaction" is an important value. And with so many purchases made on-line these days, with no option to examine the merchandise first (even for ergonomics and "feel"), almost required to make sales.

I think many stores have made the calculation that if such a policy increases sales by, say, 15% (because customers feel safer about "buyer's remorse") - but only actually results in 5% "returns" - they come out ahead.

[strangeboy]

14 hours ago, newtoleica said:

To anyone non-US this will seem an utterly bizarre concept.... You buy it its yours (unless faulty).

How can you possibly use something for a few weeks then 'return it'?

Yeah... you must also be "new to buying." Many sellers, like B&H and Adorama, offer a 30-day return policy. The caveat is that unless the item arrived damaged or is simply not functioning properly (defective ), you have to cover the cost of shipping.

These companies have decided that it's a good business practice. There's a much greater likelihood that a customer will make a purchase from a seller that offers no hassle returns, versus one that does not. Especially when it's the only option that many customers may have to even try out a new product. 

The idea that this practice is foreign to anyone but U.S. buyers is just a lie.

Every Leica Store on the planet offers a no fault return policy, which I believe is about 14 days. 

Read better.

[timo01]

the SL3 is a crazy camera but for me…nope… I’m so in love with the M! And damn how heavy she is (SL3)

[costa43]

Just now, timo01 said:

the SL3 is a crazy camera but for me…nope… I’m so in love with the M! And damn how heavy she is (SL3)

I'm not tempted by the SL3 either but the weight is a non issue for me. The SL3 is only around 100g heavier than a brass top plate M. Once you add a visoflex to the M then it's pretty even, add a grip and it becomes heavier. 

 

Edited April 19, 2024 by costa43

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[bdolzani]

On 4/17/2024 at 6:14 PM, strangeboy said:

Yeah... you must also be "new to buying." Many sellers, like B&H and Adorama, offer a 30-day return policy. The caveat is that unless the item arrived damaged or is simply not functioning properly (defective ), you have to cover the cost of shipping.

These companies have decided that it's a good business practice. There's a much greater likelihood that a customer will make a purchase from a seller that offers no hassle returns, versus one that does not. Especially when it's the only option that many customers may have to even try out a new product. 

The idea that this practice is foreign to anyone but U.S. buyers is just a lie.

Every Leica Store on the planet offers a no fault return policy, which I believe is about 14 days. 

Read better.

Pardon my attempting to speak for @newtoleica but what I think he means is How can anyone decide if they like a camera in a few days? (and I can agree with that). 

For me if you are not 100% sure then you (the buyer) are anxious because you *can* return it for no loss or hassle of selling - you just have to decide very quickly. And that's not always the 'right' decision. 

I owned an M-D (when they were going for $3k) for about 7 days and then returned it because I realized it was still a digital camera. Definitely a rash decision.