M10 Batteries. Availability (merged thread)

[jdlaing]

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1 hour ago, fotojo said:

Just received a notice that PictureLine has them in stock...

 

https://www.pictureline.com/products/leica-bp-scl5-battery-m10?bis_id=6wdZ2mX&utm_campaign=stock-notification&utm_content=Leica BP-SCL5 Battery (M10)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=back-in-stock&variant=29534427585

Too late.

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[iDont]

Just got a brand new in box unit from Leica Singapore. 
 

I enquired for the battery trade in program few months ago as the battery that came with the camera is dead out of the box. Just got the email today and picked one up. 

[Michael Jones]

Last year for nostalgia reasons I picked up a Rolleiflex 6000 series medium format.  Battery was unobtainium and the one in the camera was dead.  After a bit of research, I carefully opened the old battery and removed the cells.  I went to a local Batteries Plus store here in the US and they made a new pack for me at a very low cost.  Used the camera for most of the year, got the bug out of my system and sold it.  The funds went toward the Leica M10 I just purchased pre-owned with TWO batteries, thank goodness. Wishing all a good holiday season, a great time to try out my M10!

[Wandering Photographer]

On 3/30/2024 at 4:41 AM, Anbaric said:

I wonder if even these ghostly technicians will be able to rebuild M10 batteries? The DMR batteries probably didn't have an authentication chip, but the M10 batteries might. If there is a chip, maybe you can transfer it to a rebuilt battery, but maybe not.

It's reassuring when a battery is widely cloned by third parties. The NP-95 for my X100T is no longer made by Fuji, but it's easy to find high quality replacements. Maybe there needs to be some sort of consumer legislation like the EU has for USB-C phone chargers, mandating a set of open generic standards for batteries and requiring all devices sold to be compatible with one of them. There's no need for every company to come up with its own proprietary standard that may be discarded a few years later. You could probably cover everything from a pocket P&S to a pro mirrorless or dSLR with maybe 4 sizes. Or at least ban authentication chips for batteries as anti-competitive (and do the same for printer cartridges while they're at it).

Hopefully the EU would also require the build quality be equal to the OEM specifications.

I must say that Nikon has been very good about maintaining a battery standard over several generations of their professional level cameras, making incremental improvements while maintaining the same form factor. I can use batteries from several generations ago on today’s cameras.

[Wandering Photographer]

When I bought my M10-R, I bought 3 extra batteries because my habit is to leave the camera turned on during my hikes and one battery simply doesn’t last the duration. The Visio housing with the GPS receiver of course increases the battery drain. But the batteries are small and light enough that I can take extras with me. The M11 battery lasts long enough that I only bought one extra.

[Ronazle]

Does anyone know of a source today for one or more batteries for my 10-R? Thanks Ron

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Ronazle
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[pedaes]

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35 minutes ago, Ronazle said:

Does anyone know of a source today for one or more batteries for my 10-R? Thanks Ron

 

They are available from Leica store so any Dealer should be able to order them - or try direct from the Leica On-line Store

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/photography/accessories/batteries/m10-rechargable-battery-bc-scl-5

[charlesphoto99]

7 minutes ago, pedaes said:

They are available from Leica store so any Dealer should be able to order them - or try direct from the Leica On-line Store

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/photography/accessories/batteries/m10-rechargable-battery-bc-scl-5

Only in the UK or EU!! Leica USA or any of its boutiques/dealers do not have them! Period. And they cannot be posted from the EU/UK to the US. So please, stop with the myth that they are readily available for all just because you live where there happen to be some. 

That said, it appears, if it is to be believed according to the Adorama website, that there will be M10 batteries available in the US starting in February. Personally, my wife and kids are going to visit family in Dusseldorf for Xmas, so I'm getting a battery from Calumet there. Fingers crossed it takes a charge....

[pedaes]

20 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

the myth that they are readily available for all just because you live where there happen to be some. 

 

I was not trying to promote a myth! I was trying to be helpful and disappointed you  put a negative spin on this.

Coming to the bigger picture, self evidently the batteries exist. If they are not available in US, I guess you need an explanation from Leica USA.

[jgeenen]

During covid, toilet paper was sold out everywhere for months in Germany. When you found some it was crazy expensive. What happened? Was there a shortage of supplies? No. Was there a shortage of production? No. Similar happened with sunflower oil and flour during early Ukraine war. What had happened? Media messages triggered a possibility of shortages and everybody bought and stocked that stuff like crazy and logistics wasn‘t able to fulfill the excessive demands.
 

Why am I telling this story? Replace „toilet paper“ with „BP-SCL5“ (the words, not the roll of paper 🙂), Germany with US, and media with the rants in this forum …

 

[Ronazle]

The causes may or may not be similar, but by making the BP SCL5 battery proprietary with only a single source makes the problem a little different.  If Leica will not allow licensed manufacture on a almost new product (my 10-r) it is incumbent on them by whatever extraordinary means necessary to get the batteries in whatever needed quantity to those who bought them (the cameras) in good faith. While the multiple problems with the early digital M's was, perhaps, understandable due to the technology involved (I went through several M-8s and M-9s); this is just bad management or intentional disregard for the U.S. owners. I was planning on acquiring a new M10R or a used M10 for quality backup but have no assurance either would come with a working battery and obviously, I cannot count on Leica responding favorably. Please correct me where I am wrong. Regards, Ron

 

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Ronazle
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[charlesphoto99]

3 hours ago, pedaes said:

I was not trying to promote a myth! I was trying to be helpful and disappointed you  put a negative spin on this.

Coming to the bigger picture, self evidently the batteries exist. If they are not available in US, I guess you need an explanation from Leica USA.

Got it. But it says right under his profile, Nashville. Believe me, those of us in the US have tried and tried to get batteries for over a year now. It's been discussed here over and over, and we've been painted at times by those who do have access to them (EU/UK) as unreasonable or not just looking hard enough. That's also why you see used ones going for more than new on eBay. Sorry to put a negative spin on things, and always glad for your help, but just telling somebody they can just order them, when they can't, is not that helpful.

Edited December 17, 2024 by charlesphoto99

[charlesphoto99]

2 hours ago, jgeenen said:

During covid, toilet paper was sold out everywhere for months in Germany. When you found some it was crazy expensive. What happened? Was there a shortage of supplies? No. Was there a shortage of production? No. Similar happened with sunflower oil and flour during early Ukraine war. What had happened? Media messages triggered a possibility of shortages and everybody bought and stocked that stuff like crazy and logistics wasn‘t able to fulfill the excessive demands.
 

Why am I telling this story? Replace „toilet paper“ with „BP-SCL5“ (the words, not the roll of paper 🙂), Germany with US, and media with the rants in this forum …

 

Nobody's hoarding Leica batteries, please. But some of us would like to assure we have a rotation of them, and a supply into the future. And no, I don't want to buy an M11, 12, 14, 15, 16 whatever just because I can't find batteries for my perfectly functioning M10. 

[pgh]

15 minutes ago, Ronazle said:

The causes may or may not be similar, but by making the BP SCL5 battery proprietary with only a single source makes the problem a little different.  If Leica will not allow licensed manufacture on a almost new product (my 10-r) it is incumbent on them by whatever extraordinary means necessary to get the batteries in whatever needed quantity to those who bought them (the cameras) in good faith. While the multiple problems with the early digital M's was, perhaps, understandable due to the technology involved (I went through several M-8s and M-9s); this is just bad management or intentional disregard for the U.S. owners. I was planning on acquiring a new M10R or a used M10 for quality backup but have no assurance either would come with a working battery and obviously, I cannot count on Leica responding favorably. Please correct me where I am wrong. Regards, Ron

 

 

I hate to be a negative Nancy here but I do think you’re wrong in what you claim is necessary for Leica to do. The only thing that is incumbent on them is to maximize their profits by whatever means they see fit. You’re buying into a myth that they somehow care about your plight - especially as a user of a previous generation model. They will only to the extent that they can capitalize off of it more than they can capitalize off of other things in more efficient ways. I feel your frustration though. 

[pedaes]

41 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Sorry to put a negative spin on things, and always glad for your help, but just telling somebody they can just order them, when they can't, is not that helpful.

Let's go back to the Post I was answering "Does anyone know of a source today for one or more batteries..."  Simple question without any reference to territories, and note "today". The Poster could be an airline pilot for all I know.

Simple question, simple answer. 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by pedaes

[charlesphoto99]

Just now, pedaes said:

Let's go back to the Post I was answering "Does anyone know of a source today for one or more batteries..."  Simple question without any reference to territories. He could be an airline pilot for all I know.

Simple question, simple answer. 

 

 

It would be nice if there truly was a simple answer (beyond purchasing a plane ticket to buy a #*& extra battery)...

And I apologize if you weren't aware of the regional differences happening in regards to their batteries. Impossible to find in Japan and other places as well. Let's hope they resolve this. 

[charlesphoto99]

34 minutes ago, pgh said:

I hate to be a negative Nancy here but I do think you’re wrong in what you claim is necessary for Leica to do. The only thing that is incumbent on them is to maximize their profits by whatever means they see fit. You’re buying into a myth that they somehow care about your plight - especially as a user of a previous generation model. They will only to the extent that they can capitalize off of it more than they can capitalize off of other things in more efficient ways. I feel your frustration though. 

Then we are supporting a shit company if that's the case. I hate to think that. Not to mention they're not exactly giving the batteries away at $200 a pop. 

[pgh]

The incentives for most companies are to act such a way - and companies that traffic in luxury branding tend to be some of the most egregious examples. I love the products when they work, but yea - and I lay my biases out here I suppose, but I don't see much to point me to the contrary. I'd be happy to be wrong. But, I mean Leica is held 45% by Blackstone - a publicly owned firm that really only has one goal, which is to wring more money out of every one of its assets to the benefit of shareholders. I don't know anything about the majority holder Projektentwicklung but perhaps someone can speak to the idea that they operate any differently. 

Edited December 17, 2024 by pgh

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[jaapv]

Maybe some research here on the forum? 

[pgh]

If someone else is compelled to do so, it’s fine by me. My experience with the brand, noting the image they spend large sums of money to cultivate and a large minority ownership by Blackstone is compelling enough for me to form an opinion. I’ll keep an open mind, but not going to spend my time on it.