No charger?

[tomasis7]

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the discussion is off-topic already now. 

I use an old generation camera from the year 2015.. guess what? SL601. It still going strong and it is 100% professional in every mean. 

Let's move on 😵‍💫

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[Pelu2010]

On 4/6/2024 at 10:01 PM, Joshi_H said:

That’s what I said to the Leica contact, that I regret having switched from Sony to Leica.

The workaround is to use the powerbank on the standard USB-C port of the SL2 to simply support the battery

Hey, 

this battery works : 

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I tested it. 
 

And if you like to keep the other battery it works if the standard battery of leica is in the camera and you plug it in the usbc port …. 
 

But Leica should fix this issue. 
this can’t be that difficult …. 
 

My bet is that it’s a thermal problem for the sl 

Cheers Peter 

[Joshi_H]

Since there are a few reports that the USB-C Coupler works with various power banks, I finally did not give up and ordered another USB-C Coupler and tried again. Maybe it was the former coupler that has a defect or I did not have the sufficient amount of patience. Yes, when connecting the camera to the powerbank, I have to wait until the display shows an output greater than 2 Watts before switching on the camera.

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On 3/9/2024 at 2:13 AM, Genoweffa said:

got it..

so Leica saved the planet by not including made from crude (plastic) charger...and they cut a tree to print the manual...EU logic @ best

Paper is renewable, oil will eventually run out (in about 600 years). 

[Pelu2010]

On 3/8/2024 at 12:19 PM, NickT said:

Does anyone know if the nitecore charger works on the new Q3/SL3 battery - it is the smae shape as the ols one?

Hi, 

yes it works form me. 

And I use it exclusively. 

I have always a power bank and the nitecore with me. 

Once every half year I charge the batteries with the AC/DC charger. 

Thats it. 

And If I travel, I use the nitecore and my Macbook charger. One charges a single battery the other the camera. 

And since I use the SL2S and the Q3, I get charged 3 Batteries at once. 

Thats how I do this. 

I Would love to have a percentage info in the camera like my drone does (dji mini) which is very helpful. (does not need to be in the main 

menu, if its in a submenu I am fine with it .... ) 

But as the nitecore tells me how much the battery has been charges it is ok. 

cheers Peter 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2024 by Pelu2010

[FlashGordonPhotography]

On 4/12/2024 at 1:58 AM, pgh said:

snip....

My only point was the lament that Leica isn't making stuff that stands up to the rigors of "professional" use for many despite marketing that may suggest such........

Bollocks! I shot Leica as a working photographer for 15 years (Canon for 15 years before that). M's. S's. SL's even a CL for a bit. My SL's were super reliable, shooting a hundred jobs per year without fuss or issue. And I know a dozen other full time Leica photographers.

Sure, there are more working shooters with Canon Nikon and Sony. They're cheaper. Profit and loss and all that.

I also know a working photographer still using a 15 year old 300D, because there's no such thing as a professional camera.

Gordon

[pgh]

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4 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Bollocks! I shot Leica as a working photographer for 15 years (Canon for 15 years before that). M's. S's. SL's even a CL for a bit. My SL's were super reliable, shooting a hundred jobs per year without fuss or issue. And I know a dozen other full time Leica photographers.

Sure, there are more working shooters with Canon Nikon and Sony. They're cheaper. Profit and loss and all that.

I also know a working photographer still using a 15 year old 300D, because there's no such thing as a professional camera.

Gordon

That's great you feel that way, and yes, I've used them professionally for years as well, but I've also paid for it in any number of ways and always had the need for a backup of some more stable platform. When I shot Nikon exclusively, I didn't need to worry about knowing another camera mid shoot. Leica has never offered that peace of mind - and continue to not offer it. It's a tradeoff for what the brand does so well. 

For a brand with a lower market segment there's sure a lot more fuss about legitimate issues. 

It's also demonstrably true that Leica totally lacks in professional services comparably. If your Canon or Nikon goes out for a job, those companies have your back. Leica - you get an 8 week to 6 month service time. That is not sustainable for most working professionals who don't have the budget for a whole stable of cameras, but usually just own about 2. 

They are a luxury lifestyle brand first and foremost. Just look at how they position themselves and who the position themselves to. This isn't a pejorative, but like, I used to work in advertising...it's pretty easy to spot the brand that uses certain image to juice their margins versus, say, concrete features or benefits. 

It would be great for the brand to be an actually reliable option for more professionals, but to complain about it as they are now misses what they are. 

[Photoworks]

7 hours ago, pgh said:

That's great you feel that way, and yes, I've used them professionally for years as well, but I've also paid for it in any number of ways and always had the need for a backup of some more stable platform. When I shot Nikon exclusively, I didn't need to worry about knowing another camera mid shoot. Leica has never offered that peace of mind - and continue to not offer it. It's a tradeoff for what the brand does so well. 

For a brand with a lower market segment there's sure a lot more fuss about legitimate issues. 

It's also demonstrably true that Leica totally lacks in professional services comparably. If your Canon or Nikon goes out for a job, those companies have your back. Leica - you get an 8 week to 6 month service time. That is not sustainable for most working professionals who don't have the budget for a whole stable of cameras, but usually just own about 2. 

They are a luxury lifestyle brand first and foremost. Just look at how they position themselves and who the position themselves to. This isn't a pejorative, but like, I used to work in advertising...it's pretty easy to spot the brand that uses certain image to juice their margins versus, say, concrete features or benefits. 

It would be great for the brand to be an actually reliable option for more professionals, but to complain about it as they are now misses what they are. 

If you are a serious professional you would have a backup on the job, no matter the brand. I am talking camera body +backup, lenses +backup, Flash +backup, Cards + backup, Batteries + Backup, Computer + backup, Studio light + extra backups. When I had Nikon D1 D2 camera I always had 3-4, one or two were always in the repair shop for months

[Anbaric]

On 4/16/2024 at 5:27 PM, pgh said:

They are a luxury lifestyle brand first and foremost. Just look at how they position themselves and who the position themselves to. This isn't a pejorative, but like, I used to work in advertising...it's pretty easy to spot the brand that uses certain image to juice their margins versus, say, concrete features or benefits.

I don't know where this myth that Leica is some sort of luxury lifestyle brand comes from. It's just that they're marketing to a more discerning class of user now.

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[SrMi]

On 4/16/2024 at 9:27 AM, pgh said:

They are a luxury lifestyle brand first and foremost. Just look at how they position themselves and who the position themselves to. This isn't a pejorative, but like, I used to work in advertising...it's pretty easy to spot the brand that uses certain image to juice their margins versus, say, concrete features or benefits. 

They are a luxury brand, as Steinway is among pianos—still, the best tool for many.

[pgh]

On 4/16/2024 at 8:20 PM, Photoworks said:

If you are a serious professional you would have a backup on the job, no matter the brand. I am talking camera body +backup, lenses +backup, Flash +backup, Cards + backup, Batteries + Backup, Computer + backup, Studio light + extra backups. When I had Nikon D1 D2 camera I always had 3-4, one or two were always in the repair shop for months

I mean sure, so your Leica dies on your shoot. You grab your backup. 

Then the shoot on the next day, and every day after for months, you have one body. 

I know plenty of serious photographers (actually, really, some of the most serious) who have used two bodies. 3-4 was pretty uncommon. These are people making pictures on the news sites and magazines many readers here frequent. That said, 3-4 Nikons (esp as most people but sports photogs would use D700/D800 variations) is going to get you like...1.5 Leicas. So, backups are easier there! 

Anyhow, no matter one's strategy - it doesn't change the fact the Leica has comparatively poor professional support. My backup would never be another Leica for that reason. 

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, pgh said:

I mean sure, so your Leica dies on your shoot. You grab your backup. 

Then the shoot on the next day, and every day after for months, you have one body. 

I know plenty of serious photographers (actually, really, some of the most serious) who have used two bodies. 3-4 was pretty uncommon. These are people making pictures on the news sites and magazines many readers here frequent. That said, 3-4 Nikons (esp as most people but sports photogs would use D700/D800 variations) is going to get you like...1.5 Leicas. So, backups are easier there! 

Anyhow, no matter one's strategy - it doesn't change the fact the Leica has comparatively poor professional support. My backup would never be another Leica for that reason. 

You can use whatever gets you through it, I have multiple SL bodies and other cameras, and I am sure there is a way.

If I am getting paid I will have a backup the second day.

if I am not getting paid, well that is not a client, I just bring one camera and one lens.

[beewee]

Not sure about the DC-Coupler as I don’t have any experience with it but for those using the SL2-S and trying to power by USB-C, based on my experience, it doesn’t seem like the SL2-S supports USB-PD. This means it can only charge at 5v through the USB-C port.

I ran into issues connecting the SL2-S with the Omni Charge 20 and it made the camera go crazy. The only way to get it to charge reliably is using a USB-A to USB-C cable, thereby ensuring that USB-PD cannot kick in on the USB-C cable.

Generally speaking, when using USB-C cables:

• For low current charging (60 watt or lower), any ‘normal’ USB-C cable from a reputable brand should work
• For high current charging (over 60 watts), you need a dedicated charge cable that can support 100 watt or higher - these have a special chip to tell the charger that the cable have conducting wires that can support current above 2 amps
  • The drawback is that anything longer than 1m usually is limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds (480 Mbps)
• For high data rate transfer, you need a cable that supports USB 3.0 (5 Gbps), USB 3.1 (5 Gbps), USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 (5 Gbps), USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 (10 Gbps), USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 Gbps), or USB 4.0 (40 Gbps) - it’s a total mess when it comes to USB-C nomenclature but Kingston has a good page comparing differences (https://www.kingston.com/en/usb-flash-drives/usb-30) but I guess that’s the price we pay for trying to use a connector that was first released 15+ years ago in 2008. When put into that perspective, it’s mind boggling that the EC would mandate portable electronic devices use a 15+ year old connector. Can you imagine if in 2011, governments started mandating that we all stick with USB-A which was first release in 1996? By 2011, we already had USB 3.0 for 3 years. It’s madness.

 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

22 hours ago, pgh said:

I mean sure, so your Leica dies on your shoot. You grab your backup. 

Then the shoot on the next day, and every day after for months, you have one body. 

I know plenty of serious photographers (actually, really, some of the most serious) who have used two bodies. 3-4 was pretty uncommon. These are people making pictures on the news sites and magazines many readers here frequent. That said, 3-4 Nikons (esp as most people but sports photogs would use D700/D800 variations) is going to get you like...1.5 Leicas. So, backups are easier there! 

Anyhow, no matter one's strategy - it doesn't change the fact the Leica has comparatively poor professional support. My backup would never be another Leica for that reason. 

Well, news shooters get their cameras from the paper pool. They don't buy them themselves. Although the news industry seems intent on eradicating that profession.

It is absolutely true that Leica has a poor service turnaround time unless you walk into Wetzlar or your name is on some *list*. It's not really good enough. And Canon and Nikon have a paid pro service system (don't need to be a pro anymore though). I was a CPS member for 15 years.

The problem is that unless you could drive to Canon it didn't help. I lived on an island as a working shooter and when one of my EOS1n cameras was disabled by a single grain of sand, I had to send it in and wait. It was fast. About 12 days but I needed to work those 12 days. So, I was essentially self-reliant. No loaners get sent to islands in Queensland overnight. Even in Sydney if a camera died Friday, I needed to shoot weddings Saturday and Sunday. CPS made things faster but I still needed 3 bodies. And as you say, that's a significant cost for a third SL3.

But Leica doesn't operate in a vacuum. I didn't have 3 x EOS1n bodies. I had an EOS5 waiting on the sidelines. For the SL3 I'd have either a used SL2 or an S1R ready to go. With the SL2 that's exactly what I did. I had an S1R available. Same sensor, less cost. Most jobs wouldn't need the SL3 resolution. You could easily have the fabulous S5II.

I've never had an SL body go down while I'm working. That doesn't mean I'm daft enough to not be ready for it. I have multiple backups and I know that I can walk into a store and pick up an S5II anytime, if there's a bag stolen etc. It does cost more to to set up a pro Leica kit. But if you're silly enough to go down this route you're silly enough to also have the backup stuff as well, at great expense.

Gordon

[pgh]

2 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Well, news shooters get their cameras from the paper pool. They don't buy them themselves. Although the news industry seems intent on eradicating that profession.

It is absolutely true that Leica has a poor service turnaround time unless you walk into Wetzlar or your name is on some *list*. It's not really good enough. And Canon and Nikon have a paid pro service system (don't need to be a pro anymore though). I was a CPS member for 15 years.

The problem is that unless you could drive to Canon it didn't help. I lived on an island as a working shooter and when one of my EOS1n cameras was disabled by a single grain of sand, I had to send it in and wait. It was fast. About 12 days but I needed to work those 12 days. So, I was essentially self-reliant. No loaners get sent to islands in Queensland overnight. Even in Sydney if a camera died Friday, I needed to shoot weddings Saturday and Sunday. CPS made things faster but I still needed 3 bodies. And as you say, that's a significant cost for a third SL3.

But Leica doesn't operate in a vacuum. I didn't have 3 x EOS1n bodies. I had an EOS5 waiting on the sidelines. For the SL3 I'd have either a used SL2 or an S1R ready to go. With the SL2 that's exactly what I did. I had an S1R available. Same sensor, less cost. Most jobs wouldn't need the SL3 resolution. You could easily have the fabulous S5II.

I've never had an SL body go down while I'm working. That doesn't mean I'm daft enough to not be ready for it. I have multiple backups and I know that I can walk into a store and pick up an S5II anytime, if there's a bag stolen etc. It does cost more to to set up a pro Leica kit. But if you're silly enough to go down this route you're silly enough to also have the backup stuff as well, at great expense.

Gordon

Most editorial photographers are freelance these days (present company included), and we buy our gear ourselves.

The only break we get is the fact that it's a business expense. News is less common these days of course, because local news in general has deteriorated as an industry. Paper pools were a thing in 1994. They're very much less a thing in 2004. The news as an industry is another discussion - it doesn't much know what to do with itself. The very idea of news is changing rapidly amongst younger people. 

Still, some legacy publications still commission a lot of photography, but a lot of it (like the work I do), is slower than what most would call news. 

Way off topic now - but again - this is a group of people who in general view Leica as a luxury good (quite rightly, I believe) because they have comparatively low reliability and comparatively poor professional service. So yes, I do agree that it's silly to go down that route as a professional! 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

8 hours ago, pgh said:

Most editorial photographers are freelance these days (present company included), and we buy our gear ourselves.

The only break we get is the fact that it's a business expense. News is less common these days of course, because local news in general has deteriorated as an industry. Paper pools were a thing in 1994. They're very much less a thing in 2004. The news as an industry is another discussion - it doesn't much know what to do with itself. The very idea of news is changing rapidly amongst younger people. 

Still, some legacy publications still commission a lot of photography, but a lot of it (like the work I do), is slower than what most would call news. 

Way off topic now - but again - this is a group of people who in general view Leica as a luxury good (quite rightly, I believe) because they have comparatively low reliability and comparatively poor professional service. So yes, I do agree that it's silly to go down that route as a professional! 

Low reliability is not my experience withe the SL system, which I have worked with since 2015. 

Gordon

[BernardC]

3 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Low reliability is not my experience withe the SL system, which I have worked with since 2015. 

Same here. It's a very dull camera to own!

I think the "backup camera" issue resolved itself over the years. I kept my Canon system as a backup when I started using the SL (never needed it), but there was only one full frame L-mount body back then, and it was $6,000. No such worries in 2024: Lumix bodies are reasonably priced, and used Leica bodies are easy to source.