Leica SL3: 60 MP & Phase Detection AF

[Simone_DF]

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11 hours ago, Tailwagger said:

Perhaps, but I dont think that tells us definitively one way or the other.  Assuming the code is shared now, it is just as likely that Leica's move to an alien Sony supplied sensor has resulted in the need for a significant set of changes to accommodate it into the L2 code base.  

I reckon the SL2-S has a Sony sensor too, or at least that’s my understanding 

[rim_light]

Is there any information about the write speed of the internal card slots? Is the new v4 specification for the CFe supported?

[DirkZ]

I posessed the SL2-S for one year and have now Lumix S. However I am still interested in the development of Leica SL. What I think I would miss at the new SL3:

• Screen also tilting vertically - analogue to the Lumix S1(R)
• Joystick allowing also diagnoal direction movements
• More battery capacity
• Backdial in rubber finish to have better grip
• New dial on the top left of the camera with locking mechanism to avoid unintended settings
• Focus bracketing
• Live Bulb
• Live Composite
• CAI as the M11-P has implemented
• Battery Charger included into the package
• 2 LEICA brands on the front is too much....1 would be enough, either the red dot or the LEICA lettering. I would prefer the black lettering as the SL2-S has but without the red dot.
• Lower price for batteries...far too expensive - even Hasselblad is offering cheaper batteries

What I like about the new SL3:

• Tilting screen
• Phase detection autofocus
• The triple-resolution-sensor....in most cases 18MP is enough....60MP if cropping is required (e.g. for Wildlife).
• The new power button is a good choice.
• Design, menu, look and feel - I loved it already at the SL2-S
• Less weight, more compact
• ....some other things as faster datadransfer with the Leica-App, CF-Cardslot

I stay within the world of Lumix S but it is good to have a choice in the L-Mount-System.

[hoolyproductions]

On 3/10/2024 at 12:04 PM, rim_light said:

Is there any information about the write speed of the internal card slots? Is the new v4 specification for the CFe supported?

I recall I saw in another thread (cannot remember which now, a discussion about CFExpress) that v4 is not supported (but will still give you quicker transfer to your computer/device if it supports it)

[Jeff S]

31 minutes ago, hoolyproductions said:

I recall I saw in another thread (cannot remember which now, a discussion about CFExpress) that v4 is not supported (but will still give you quicker transfer to your computer/device if it supports it)

Errr….the thread you started on Saturday… “CF Card For SL3”

Jeff

 

[SrMi]

40 minutes ago, hoolyproductions said:

I recall I saw in another thread (cannot remember which now, a discussion about CFExpress) that v4 is not supported (but will still give you quicker transfer to your computer/device if it supports it)

Z9 and A1 use CFExpress 2.0. I assume no currently available camera uses CFExpress 4.0. There is no CFExpress 3.0.

[Geoff C. Bassett]

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On 3/9/2024 at 9:52 PM, Aram Langhans said:

Looks like he is smiling a bit more in the SL2 shot.  The SL2 must still be superior.

Perfect example of more to an image than specs :). He was being a great sport letting  me test the camera in variety of ways

[Spodrasky]

My SL3 Arrived on Friday and I am just starting to shoot with it. I remember when my SL2 came out. No focus bracketing, no multi-shot and other items as well. A lot of this takes time and I am sure will be upgraded in firmware just like the SL2. The auto focus if fast and a lot bette than my SL2. The battery life so far has been a lot better. I can see only needing 3 batteries on a good day out vs 5 with the SL2. I do not really shoot video so cannot say much about that.  The High Iso is a lot better and the colors are more natural. Some of this can be fixed in post, however I would rather shoot than keep fixing things in post. The power button is actually awesome. The camera goes to sleep mode and then wakes up so much faster than the SL2. Plus by having a power button you can turn off with the app and control more with the app. The new connection with the app and transfer is stupid fast.  The new dial on the left for ISO also makes it easier and faster to use. Like with all new tools, will take some time to fully have it set up exactly how I want it vs my SL2. They are a little different. I find the the 1/2 stop of loss in ibis is easily made up for by at least 2 maybe 3 stops of better low light performance. 

[40mm f/2]

My first camera I bought was a Leica CL (the film one) and since then I had many more Leica cameras but not any more since I sold my Q. I am presently using a Hasselblad 907x50c and I am very happy with it both IQ and handling wise. I am interested in macro photography and for a long time I was using the R system with the Apo-macro Elmarit 100/2.8. I see no macro solution from Leica for the L-system but recently Panasonic came out with 100/2.8 which would be very interesting for a light weight macro setup. I have issue with most UI from other camera manufactures but Leica SL3 seems to be o.k.and it is also more portable than the previous versions.

But the present lack of focus bracketing function (which works well on the 907X) in the SL3 makes that camera useless for my needs. Has anyone any idea whether Leica is interested in an firmware update which would allow that function or are they just ignoring macro?

[algrove]

I have been looking all over for Leica released data on DR of each setting 60MP=15 stops (I assume) , 36MP=?? and 18MP=??. Thanks for any help.

[SrMi]

8 minutes ago, algrove said:

I have been looking all over for Leica released data on DR of each setting 60MP=15 stops (I assume) , 36MP=?? and 18MP=??. Thanks for any help.

It should be the same for all three resolutions, as DR is measured at the same output size. 

[chrismuc]

On 3/19/2024 at 1:01 AM, SrMi said:

It should be the same for all three resolutions, as DR is measured at the same output size. 

Exactly. The lower resolution mode has no influence on the DR, that is a common misunderstanding. The only benefit is lower storage requirement. I never would use it, a higher resolution always reduces potential aliasing artifacts and interpolates to a smoother printed image with better color and brightness gradients. 

[scott kirkpatrick]

To talk about dynamic range it is best to define what you mean first.  A sensible definition is the number of stops between when an image with texture (think a white towel or cloth) is all white to the exposure that makes it all dark.  (That is the David Vestal low-tech definition.)  Bill Claff at the Photons to Photos website essentially does this experiment on almost all new cameras, using volunteer input.  Here's the result for the last three SL models and the M11, showing a useful dynamic range of up to 11-12 stops but certainly not 15.

There is also a big step up in this capability after the SL2 (and SL).

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[BernardC]

FYI, Arri recently published an in-depth explanation of dynamic range:

https://www.arrirental.com/resource/blob/295460/e10ff8a5b3abf26c33f8754379b57442/2022-09-28-arri-dynamic-range-whitepaper-data.pdf

I'm not sure how well it matches with PtP's method, but it explains how it's not just a matter of counting patches on a test chart.

[scott kirkpatrick]

1 hour ago, BernardC said:

FYI, Arri recently published an in-depth explanation of dynamic range:

https://www.arrirental.com/resource/blob/295460/e10ff8a5b3abf26c33f8754379b57442/2022-09-28-arri-dynamic-range-whitepaper-data.pdf

I'm not sure how well it matches with PtP's method, but it explains how it's not just a matter of counting patches on a test chart.

They are doing the same thing.  The text describes analyzing a particular image, but if you have to do this in a lab and describe a range of situations, one extreme is a chart where all but the last patch are white, and the other extreme is where all but one patch are black.  The difference in the amount of light applied is the dynamic range.  There is some judgement imposed on where you decide to declare that texture and color distinctions are "just visible."   Leica's claim of 15 stops is probably too aggressive, Claff's 12 stops is a bit conservative, and the ARRI article, claiming 13.6 stops is aggressive.  I can't see any texture in the glass of milk or the lemon of their example.

[Photoworks]

for the ALEXA 35, arri had to create a new wider colorspace and raw format that would include the 17 stops of exposure latitude.
most people make tests in sRGB or Rec709 color space preview, and do not get all the dynamic range. 

[OleBe]

Am 26.3.2024 um 15:44 schrieb Photoworks:

for the ALEXA 35, arri had to create a new wider colorspace and raw format that would include the 17 stops of exposure latitude.
most people make tests in sRGB or Rec709 color space preview, and do not get all the dynamic range. 

Fortunately, it is possible to bring the (Leica) DNGs to Resolve to grade them there.  

[BernardC]

21 hours ago, OleBe said:

Fortunately, it is possible to bring the (Leica) DNGs to Resolve to grade them there.  

Good to know. A friend tried importing Sigma fp DNGs into Resolve, but the software wouldn't open them. This was a full-sensor (24MP) timelapse, not CinemaDNG video. He ended-up going through ACR, batch-converting to TIFF, and importing the TIFFS into Resolve.

[OleBe]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb BernardC:

Good to know. A friend tried importing Sigma fp DNGs into Resolve, but the software wouldn't open them. This was a full-sensor (24MP) timelapse, not CinemaDNG video. He ended-up going through ACR, batch-converting to TIFF, and importing the TIFFS into Resolve.

Strange, never had any issues with my fp DNGs in Resolve. All are opening fine. Maybe the timelapse gave it a different format which caused this.

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[Photoworks]

you can import DNG in Davinci Resolve, plus raw files from canon and nikon, and many other image formats