LCDless digital M cameras

[Forefuego]

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Can anyone point me in the right section here? I’ve kind of been obsessing over having the MD-262 camera for some time now even though they are so hard to find.. I realize they’ve made other digital models without a LCD and was wondering if anyone can list these models and what the big differences are with them?

Also how do they compare in reliability and upgradeability to other M cameras?

[a.noctilux]

First is Leica M Edition 60, in 2014 (in French)

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then M-D (typ 262) in 2016 to 2018, a link ...

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M10-D added some features and functions run by Smartphone, false wind-on lever as "thumby".

(more here ... and "looking for" )

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378660-m10-d-price-of-ownership/

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/324287-m10-d-production-numbers/

 

 

I hope you find one that suits you.

Good luck.

 

 

[pippy]

1 hour ago, Forefuego said:

......the MD-262 camera......how do they compare in reliability and upgradeability to other M cameras?

My M-D Typ-262 hasn't broken down. Neither has my M Monochrom. Neither did my M9-P. None of these cameras could be upgraded.

Hope that info helps!

P.

Edited January 11, 2024 by pippy

[darylgo]

The M60 is built like a tank, there's so few buttons and electronics, the film cameras would likely break more often with all the mechanics involved with moving film.  

[evikne]

8 hours ago, Forefuego said:

I realize they’ve made other digital models without a LCD and was wondering if anyone can list these models and what the big differences are with them?

For each of the last main models, there has also been an LCD-less model. The sensor is inherited from the main model: M (240) > M-D (262), M10 > M10-D, M11 > ?

Many are now eagerly awaiting whether there will be an M11-D.

[Forefuego]

thanks everyone for all of the info. I'm going to hold out for a MD 262 if one pops up. Then again, Evikne, hopefully that comes to fruition and I can snag a M11-D.

[Datsch]

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There were a staggering 4, yes four, M10-Ds for sale at mpb in the US last week, thanks to @Overgaard for pointing it out ... now there are only two left: https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/leica-m10-d  Quite steep pricing at $7099 but they are rare ...

I have been watching M-D and M10-D sales for a few years now and have never seen four at once. Well, two now .... 🙃

[tomasis7]

Has anyone compared the thickness of M-D 262 and M10-D?

I wouldn't want a normal M 262 due to thickness but how is the M-D though? 

I assume M-D 262 is the first LCD-less body?

[pippy]

1 hour ago, tomasis7 said:

Has anyone compared the thickness of M-D 262 and M10-D?...I wouldn't want a normal M 262 due to thickness but how is the M-D though?...I assume M-D 262 is the first LCD-less body?

As mentioned in post #2 the very first screenless M was the 'Edition 60' which was a limited production model; only 600 were made. The M-D Typ-262 was the first screenless M to be part of the regular production from Leica but, even so, were made in relatively low numbers (c. 1400-1700 as far as we can tell from published serial numbers).

The top-plate / base-plate width of the M-D 262 is the same as the regular 240 / 262 cameras but because there is neither buttons, 4-way pad nor screen to foul-up the rear of the camera's surface it feels considerably slimmer than the 'regular' versions.

Philip.

EDIT : OK. I've just had a quick measuring session with a digital caliper and here are some figures.

The baseplate of the M9 series of cameras (measurements were taken using an M Monochrom) reads c. 35.4mm. That of the M-D reads 36.7mm so if we consider only these figures the MD is 1.3mm thicker.

However; when we take the measurement from the front of the baseplate (essentially the front surface of the camera) to the back of the D-Pad of the M9 - which is generally where the right hand rests while holding / shooting - the figure of 35.4mm goes up to 42.0mm. In contrast the ISO dial on the rear of the M-D only adds 1.0mm to the 'width' so the 36.7mm becomes 37.7mm. If we consider these figures then the MD is actually 4.3mm slimmer...

Overall readings from the internet can be slightly confusing as those cameras up to and including the M9 range don't have the 'wheel-adjuster-thing' on the rear of the top-plate which adds to depth readings from the M240 series cameras. Also some www sites include the likes of viewfinder eyepiece / lens-select-lever / lens-mount flange etc. etc. so not all measurements are comparable over different sites.

The only way to discover how these cmeras feel 'in the hand' is, unfortunately, to try them out for oneself.

Edited February 15, 2024 by pippy
Adding some actual measurements

[evikne]

1 hour ago, tomasis7 said:

Has anyone compared the thickness of M-D 262 and M10-D?

According to Wikipedia:

M-D 262: 138.6 × 42 × 80 mm

M10-D: 139 x 38 x 80 mm

Edited February 15, 2024 by evikne

[evikne]

52 minutes ago, pippy said:

The only way to discover how these cmeras feel 'in the hand' is, unfortunately, to try them out for oneself.

The main reason I want an M10/11-D is the thickness and the tactile feeling of not having to rest my thumb against a glass plate on the back. I've never actually held such a camera, but I can well imagine it.

Edited February 15, 2024 by evikne

[pippy]

10 minutes ago, evikne said:

The main reason I want an M10/11-D is the thickness and the tactile feeling of not having to rest my thumb against a glass plate on the back. I've never actually held such a camera, but I can well imagine it.

As it happens the lack of a screen and the resultant pleasurable tactile feel was one of the first things T-v-O mentions in his review of the M-D Typ-262;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3PBhzurEo

Philip.