Leica M11 -purplish tint ???

[jaapv]

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2 hours ago, Ex Orient Lux said:

So let's just respectfully agree to disagree. 

White flag graciously accepted 🙂

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[don daniel]

Until my M11 returns from its magenta detox cure, I feel my position here is well represented.

[Ex Orient Lux]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb jaapv:

White flag graciously accepted 🙂

As I said earlier:

 

Zitat

You constantly try to misunderstand me, take things out of context, shift the point of discussion and/or try to twist my words around. 

So I was already convinced. Really no need for you to proof it again...🤣

[mirekti]

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Edited December 28, 2024 by mirekti

[Rick]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

Which never existed outside of marketing speak anyway. 

Tell me that is not so???  The Leica  glow is still real... right?  Right?

[jaapv]

As a repeat: For those using ACR the new “Adaptive” import profile might be a solution. 
 

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/10/14/the-adobe-adaptive-profile

[harmen]

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23 hours ago, CDodkin said:

A lot of those color shifts in film were culturally driven, as you noted. Asian cultures tend to favor blues and greens, and cool lighting. It's no accident that Fuji Film packaging is green and blue, and their films strongly bias to green and blue. Western cultures tend to favor yellows and reds, and warmer lighting. Again it's no accident that Kodak film packaging is yellow and red, and their films strongly bias to yellows and reds.

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Does latitude also play a role?  I’ve often noticed, in places from Greece to Indonesia, that closer to the equator stores and restaurants that cater to locals rather than tourists have brighter and cooler light.  There could be a cost factor with TL lights being cheaper, but it’s also related to how much light one is used to.  Yellow and dim light equating to a cosy atmosphere only works if one has seasons with real winters.

[harmen]

My M11 has no magenta tint issue.  Or at least I don’t have an issue with my M11.  I no longer prefer film; it’s now equal between this camera and various film options.  I keep it set to daylight white balance.  See below for recent photos with M11 vs iPhone 16.  Both my wife and I prefer the image that comes from the M11.  It was a dark and grey day in Rome and it was getting dark in the late afternoon. (Exposure adjusted)
 

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Edited December 28, 2024 by harmen

[Cattoo]

Leica is never going to "fix" the white balance because the slight over-saturation was intentional; to the extent that there is a Leica look, this is it.  At least that's what I've read in a couple early reviews and what my dealer told me when I bought my M11 at the Washington, DC boutique.  Leica wanted to produce Kodachrome 64-like colors in auto WB mode, and this is the result. It's obvious that the color cast isn't to everyone's liking, but the solution to get your preferred colors is quite simple: use manual WB, a gray card, or adjust in post.  Can we just accept that it is what it is and move on?

[otto.f]

23 minutes ago, Cattoo said:

Can we just accept that it is what it is and move on?

there is no we here, this is clear enough by now

[hdmesa]

On 12/27/2024 at 4:25 AM, jaapv said:

Or the photographer fails in setting that point…

That is another thing about present-day digital photography: people expect the camera to do everything for them and switch off their skills. 

 

On 12/27/2024 at 5:17 AM, lct said:

Main problem is white balance some people seem unable to set. I guess they expect AI to do it for them 😉

 

 

On 12/27/2024 at 8:59 AM, jaapv said:

I just wish that people like that alleged photographer get their colour management workflow in order and stop whining...

I know you're both weary of hearing about the magenta tint, but by the same token, many of us are tired of seeing it in live view or when reviewing our photos on the LCD.

 

On 12/27/2024 at 9:19 AM, Smogg said:

...it can be fixed in post-processing. Although it is annoying....

Exactly.

100% of us here fix the issue in post.

The problem with the magenta cast for many of us is it's highly irritating to see when out shooting. 

For those that are unbothered by the magenta tint, what if it were not just a bit off from neutral as it is now but rather +30 or more off in LRC? Heck, what if all the photos were showing up on the LCD as negatives instead of positives? What if they had pink polka dots all over the image that obscured the photo? Everyone has a breaking point for what they find unacceptable for the price point of their gear. It's ok to not be bothered, but I don't think it right to lash out at those who are indeed bothered by it.

[adan]

41 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

The problem with the magenta cast for many of us is it's highly irritating to see when out shooting. 

Thanks for that cogent summary/explanation of the real problem here. 😉

An "Ahaa!" moment.

[jaapv]

OK, I get that - it is probably why some other brands allow the user to adjust the white balance of LCD and EVF - and offer multiple AWB interpretations.

And it probably explains the difference in experience by different users - some chimp habitually, others rarely to never.

[Jeff S]

Purple chimp tint, then.

[jaapv]

I’ve never seen a purple Chimp in Africa. 

[Jeff S]

Nobody would believe you anyway if you documented it with an M11.

[hdmesa]

You guys are killing me 🤣

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

OK, I get that - it is probably why some other brands allow the user to adjust the white balance of LCD and EVF - and offer multiple AWB interpretations.

And it probably explains the difference in experience by different users - some chimp habitually, others rarely to never.

And some of us don't apply import presets that alter the in-camera white balance out of the gate because we'd rather fix it on a case-by-case basis and "see the patient in their actual condition" so to speak. So I guess it's not just seeing the magenta tint on the LCD but also seeing the digital contact sheet upon import into C1 or LR. From there, it's an easy copy/paste of the first image that I've fixed the white balance on. But it's just so much nicer to see the initial contact sheet and unedited images out of other cameras in post versus the M11.

Edit: 1st world problem basically, but one that I would think $9K USD would afford us not to experience

Edited December 29, 2024 by hdmesa

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[CDodkin]

23 hours ago, harmen said:

My M11 has no magenta tint issue.  Or at least I don’t have an issue with my M11.  I no longer prefer film; it’s now equal between this camera and various film options.  I keep it set to daylight white balance.  See below for recent photos with M11 vs iPhone 16.  Both my wife and I prefer the image that comes from the M11.  It was a dark and grey day in Rome and it was getting dark in the late afternoon. (Exposure adjusted)
 

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Your M11 has the Magenta cast issue - it's clear as day, even based on the low contrast example you posted - original on left, corrected on right. Once you see it, you can't unsee it - and it's endemic in M11 posts online.

Edited December 29, 2024 by CDodkin

[CDodkin]

On 12/27/2024 at 4:22 PM, mirekti said:

I wanted to make a comment, but would have digressed from the author’s problem so I gave up. 
 

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I messaged this guy about his magenta cast issues - he's partially color blind so doesn't think he sees it - all his M11 shots are very significantly magenta shifted though - the 'white' snow makes this one especially obvious