Leica M11 -purplish tint ???

[don daniel]

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vor 36 Minuten schrieb otto.f:

The magenta problem however can’t be solved in many cases and not via Kelvin or Tint settings. 

Yes, it can be solved: Just pull the tint slider in Lightroom to the left – and it's gone! That is what the camera should do in the first place in order to get a better white balance. And that is why I sent my M11 to the customer service.

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[CDodkin]

1 hour ago, don daniel said:

Yes, it can be solved: Just pull the tint slider in Lightroom to the left – and it's gone! That is what the camera should do in the first place in order to get a better white balance. And that is why I sent my M11 to the customer service.

The magenta WB shift is not consistent - so is not fixable with a preset offset adjustment. It's the result of an in-camera calculation, based on the image data in the frame at the time of exposure - and the offset from that calculation varies, depending on lighting conditions, time of day, latitude, altitude, prevalent colors in the image, etc etc.

Edited December 1, 2024 by CDodkin

[CDodkin]

16 hours ago, nineteenfocus said:

I’ve read several post where the auto white balance isn’t reliable with the M11. Recently, I have had several noticeable failures where the camera set the WB to a very wrong from the ‘normal’ value that the scene require

See below the picture out of the camera ‘original’, it’s a sunset scene and it has set the WB to 4900K where it should be at least 5500K like a daylight. This results the image to be cold and not representative of the scene

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Does anyone experiencing same problem? most of the daylight I get from the M11 are cold as the WB is generally automatically set to 4500K. 

Another example auto WB in a clear day at noon, should at least be 5500K but the file was set to 4650K by M11, how can it be so off?

I guess that this could be easily tuned with a firmware update but there’s not been a mention about it. Is the WB a firmware issue or a hardware problem? I am wondering if this might be an issue of my camera

Thanks

 

Your AWB is acting exactly as I'd expect - it's seeing a strong warm color cast (at sunset in your example) and correcting for it. If you want to record sunset tones more accurately in-camera, set manual daylight WB, and this will then allow the M11 to accurately capture the warmer tones at sunset. This is the same for all AWB algorithms on digital cameras.

[otto.f]

8 hours ago, don daniel said:

Yes, it can be solved: Just pull the tint slider in Lightroom to the left – and it's gone! That is what the camera should do in the first place in order to get a better white balance. And that is why I sent my M11 to the customer service.

Did they repair it?

[emlokto]

I never noticed this issue until I took photos underexposed (seems to be the going recommendation) and then exposed them correctly afterwards.

[don daniel]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb otto.f:

Did they repair it?

The camera is probably still on its long journey from neighboring Switzerland (outside the EU) to Germany. There has been no confirmation of receipt from the customer service team in Wetzlar yet. I will definitely provide an update once the camera is back.

[Pix.View]

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On 20/11/2023 at 06:16, bcaslis said:

Je peux utiliser n'importe lequel des programmes disponibles dans Lightroom. Pour les photos normales, je commence avec Adobe Color et je modifie à partir de là.

Et si vous essayez avec DXO PHOTOLAB ?

Aucun problème de mon côté.

[01af]

Am 2.12.2024 um 23:44 schrieb don daniel:

I will definitely provide an update once the camera is back.

Let me make a prediction: They will clean, lube, adjust, and polish your camera and then, after many weeks, return it without having touched the white balance.

[pop]

On 12/2/2024 at 11:44 PM, don daniel said:

The camera is probably still on its long journey from neighboring Switzerland (outside the EU) to Germany. There has been no confirmation of receipt from the customer service team in Wetzlar yet. I will definitely provide an update once the camera is back.

Don't they fix this in Nidau?

Edited December 5, 2024 by pop

[don daniel]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb 01af:

Let me make a prediction: They will clean, lube, adjust, and polish your camera and then, after many weeks, return it without having touched the white balance.

Dear O1af, it would be so lovely if, for once, you weren’t right.

vor 3 Stunden schrieb pop:

Don't they fix this in Nidau?

I have no idea if anything at Leica in Switzerland still gets repaired since the retirement of the most skilled head mechanic.

[otto.f]

This is nice info too (it could have been worse): 

Do the Sony A1 and the M11 hide the same sensor?

Edited December 14, 2024 by otto.f

[anonymoose]

7 hours ago, otto.f said:

This is nice info too (it could have been worse): 

Do the Sony A1 and the M11 hide the same sensor?

The A1 has a stacked 50MP sensor, so they are quite different. I went to double check Lightroom settings for both pictures and noticed the A1 had +30 tint (to purple) and the M11 had a +15--no idea why as all I did was import the pictures and applying the camera's picture profile. I set them both to zero and attached the result below.

I've historically found the A1 to be unnaturally green (I frequently correct it in LR), so I'm not surprised if the A1 picture makes the M11 look more purple in comparison.

 

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[JimmyCheng]

I usually set my WB to daylight, and it gives me a good result most of the time. But where there is grey pavement in the photo, I can still see a bit of magenta tint (usually in the shadows?). So yes I don't think the tint is accurate and I still have to pull back a little to the green side in post (with the m11 profile in LR). 

[o2mpx]

Admittedly not having read all 32 pages of this post, do have a question if anyone has used Cobalt presets to handle the out of camera color issue in post, and get to the more “expected” Leica colors? 

[J S H]

I have used them with Lightroom. They won't instantly make the color perfect, but they do seem to be a bit more neutral in difficult light than the Adobe profiles. I actually use the Cobalt M9 emulation for the M11 more than any of them, as I miss the M9 color and the emulation provides a similar feel. In my experience, the Cobalt profiles really just give you another set of looks as compared to the Adobe profiles - not necessarily better, but definitely different. I also use them for the A1/A7R4 and GFX. I'd say they improve the Sony colors more than the M11 or GFX.  

[o2mpx]

Are these color challenges resolved in the M11-p or inherent in all color sensor variants of the M11 line?

[Smogg]

2 hours ago, o2mpx said:

Are these color challenges resolved in the M11-p or inherent in all color sensor variants of the M11 line?

This is a characteristic feature of the entire line.

[Ne314satel]

On 12/26/2023 at 4:20 PM, don daniel said:

I do not assume that Leica will leave it like this. 

Exactly a year has passed since this message and Leica has done nothing with color in the M11 series. I have been shooting with the M11 only in black and white for a long time and only because of my love for the fast Leica lenses. But the M11 color is a spectacular failure of the Leica for $9,000.

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4 minutes ago, Ne314satel said:

the M11 color is a spectacular failure of the Leica for $9,000

The best at any price to me, except the M8.2 with IR-cut filters.

[Derbyshire Man]

59 minutes ago, Ne314satel said:

Exactly a year has passed since this message and Leica has done nothing with color in the M11 series. I have been shooting with the M11 only in black and white for a long time and only because of my love for the fast Leica lenses. But the M11 color is a spectacular failure of the Leica for $9,000.

As has been said many times before; colour is a personal choice, some people (not me) really like the colour output, changing it is possible, some people would be very annoyed by the colour changing post release making all of their personal colour workflows (as it is entirely fluid) dead in the water.

There's no global right or wrong on this one. I say that as someone not especially enamoured with the native colour. Why can't you just use apply during import?