Leica M11 -purplish tint ???

[maly]

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Looks like the firmware update today allows us to customize the white balance calibration. We might finally be able to put this thread to rest.

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[Henners]

I've just adjusted mine slightly without any real testing. I'd be interested to see where people adjust to and see if there's a general spot that works best for correcting some of the magenta.

[pedaes]

7 minutes ago, Henners said:

I've just adjusted mine slightly without any real testing. I'd be interested to see where people adjust to and see if there's a general spot that works best for correcting some of the magenta.

Yes. I went with 10 'clicks' for no other reason than in LrC I pulled back from 21 to 11.  To dark here now to play but would be good if we got a consensus on what works best.

Hope there will be some white cloud tomorrow to play!

[Goizueta]

I can't believe it! I just sent my M11 to Wetzlar for this reason. They told me to send a Raw file before sending the camera and they told me to send it to solve the problem. A week later (today) I recieve a mail  about a new firmware that can solve the problem easily.  Why they didn’t advise me about this before sending my camera?

[Homo Faber]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb Goizueta:

I can't believe it! I just sent my M11 to Wetzlar for this reason. They told me to send a Raw file before sending the camera and they told me to send it to solve the problem. A week later (today) I recieve a mail  about a new firmware that can solve the problem easily.  Why they didn’t advise me about this before sending my camera?

Do not expect miracles and just be grateful that they did respond at all.😉

[marchyman]

2 hours ago, pedaes said:

Yes. I went with 10 'clicks' for no other reason than in LrC I pulled back from 21 to 11.  To dark here now to play but would be good if we got a consensus on what works best.

Hope there will be some white cloud tomorrow to play!

In my playing the number of "clicks" in the camera menu does not match lightroom adjustments.  Example, 15 clicks toward green on my M11 resulted in LrC tint moving from about 23 to about 18 (under today's lighting conditions).  I'll have to play some more.

[BJohn]

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Is there any perfect (probably real-world) setting for the WB? As much as I love the overall flexibility, would like to just get rid of that issue for most cases

[anonymoose]

He did +15 on green.

[01af]

Am 23.10.2025 um 18:06 schrieb Henners:

I've just adjusted mine slightly without any real testing. I'd be interested to see where people adjust to and see if there's a general spot that works best for correcting some of the magenta.

That's what I am wondering, too.

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Am 23.10.2025 um 18:17 schrieb pedaes:

Yes. I went with 10 'clicks' for no other reason than in LrC I pulled back from 21 to 11.

The number of clicks in the new white-balance adjustment menu (Leica M11 firmware v2.6.0) does not directly correspond to the numeric values on the white balance and tint sliders in Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom.

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb BJohn:

Is there any perfect (probably real-world) setting for the WB? As much as I love the overall flexibility, would like to just get rid of that issue for most cases ...

No perfect setting ... but for what it's worth, I am always using the Sunny Weather preset, with all my digital cameras. No Auto-WB, never, no thanks. And with the latest firmware for the Leica M11, after a very quick tongue-in-cheek test, I am now using –20 on the green-magenta axis, i. e. 20 clicks towards green, to get rid of the notorious magenta cast. That's just a preliminary value, it needs to be verified, and possibly fine-tuned, after more testing under various lighting conditions. But for the time being, –20 seems not too far off.

As far as I understand, the new custom white-balance adjustment is a global offset which, when activated, applies to all white-balance modes, i. e. for Auto-WB as well as for all the built-in WB presets. I hope I got that right. The adjustment ranges are –40 to +40 clicks on the green-magenta axis and –60 to +60 clicks on the blue-yellow axis.

I call my setting –20, with a negative sign, because negative is what it is in the Cie-L*a*b* colour model (or Lab for short). There, the L* channel is for luminosity, the a* channel is the green-magenta colour axis, and the b* channel is the blue-yellow colour axis. There, green and blue are negative, neutral is zero, and magenta and yellow are positive. So 20 clicks towards green is minus 20.

[elmars]

vor 44 Minuten schrieb 01af:

As far as I understand, the new custom white-balance adjustment is a global offset which, when activated, applies to all white-balance modes, i. e. for Auto-WB as well as for all the built-in WB presets. I hope I got that right.

Yes, You got that right.

[pedaes]

2 hours ago, 01af said:

The number of clicks in the new white-balance adjustment menu (Leica M11 firmware v2.6.0) does not directly correspond to the numeric values on the white balance and tint sliders in Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom.

I know!!  As I said, need to start somewhere. I and others arrived at 15 clicks for Magenta as reported in later post, and usefully 4 to the left.

[don daniel]

The ratio of the number of clicks on the green-magenta axis to the number of points on the tint scale in Lightroom is about 3:2.
One click on the blue-yellow axis corresponds to 20K on the temperature scale in Lightroom.
At least that’s what it looked like in my tests.

[Mike Rawcs]

Will this update be available for the M11D? Presumably through the app?

[maxpower]

8 hours ago, Mike Rawcs said:

Will this update be available for the M11D? Presumably through the app?

It already is, if you have latest version of the FOTOS app 

Edited October 28 by maxpower

[CDodkin]

The new option seems to be a poor work wound instead of fixing the actual WB.

You have a fixed offset, yet a variable magenta tint depending on conditions.

So maybe you get a closer WB, but it's still not accurate.

[Steve Ash]

vor 41 Minuten schrieb CDodkin:

The new option seems to be a poor work wound instead of fixing the actual WB.

You have a fixed offset, yet a variable magenta tint depending on conditions.

So maybe you get a closer WB, but it's still not accurate.

That is an unproven statement. You can be correct or utterly wrong. 

[Robert Ardinger]

Fairly new M11-P (July 2025 build/boxed) and did not previously really sense any significant color shifts.  

After reading about the magenta shift I went back and looked at some recently taken photographs. A couple did have a bit of a "leaning to magenta" look in the sky (images taken in full sun/partly cloudy, daylight).  

Pulled back a bit of magenta in LR and color probably "truer" in the blue sky.  

Added 15 clicks magenta in camera (FW 2.6) and did notice a change in the sky to perhaps a more truer blue (used fixed daylight color balance) but when going inside under "tungsten" lights (LED 2,700 K) and setting WB to match, the result was a very noticeable shift to green (which needed magenta correction).  Previous indoor images did not seem to have a magenta cast but harder to tell than looking at a blue sky). 

I am not all that picky about color balance as I can adjust later (DNG files).  I would probably be more rigorous if I was wanting the best out-of-camera Jpegs.

I do carry a white balance grey card (small one) and do use it when needed (not always, actually only once in a while).

In my not-all-that-rigerous "testing" it looks like I can adjust to get the sky on a sunny day a bit more "true blue" and have greenish indoor images or leave the WB adjustment at neutral and just adjust later which is what I left it at now.

As I learn more about how my specific camera handles white balance I may go back and readjust.  Very glad to have the update and the ability to tune the color output.

[pedaes]

32 minutes ago, Robert Ardinger said:

I can adjust to get the sky on a sunny day a bit more "true blue"

For me it was about getting clouds true white, as this is where the magenta showed in skys.

Edited October 28 by pedaes

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[keith.christie]

20 hours ago, Mike Rawcs said:

Will this update be available for the M11D? Presumably through the app?

I have just updated my M11-D to V2.6.0, the white balance adjustment function is done through the Leica FOTOS App, although I used my iPhone and it is not easy to get the precise amount of clicks to set the values given above, without a little practice, I had to reset the values several times before I was happy I had 15 and 5. its a shame they didn't give a numerical readout for the number of clicks.

A quick test shot of a white card though does seem to show an improvement when using the AWB setting.

[Robert Ardinger]

22 minutes ago, pedaes said:

For me it was about getting clouds true white, as this is where the magenta showed in skys.

Even with the possibly magenta hue of the sky in the images I looked at, the clouds seemed pretty white.  They were perhaps a slight different shade of white when the magenta was adjusted in camera but in neither case (adjusted or non-adjusted) were the clouds appearing to be particulary tinted.  If anything, after removing some of the magenta in camera and comparing, the overall colors leaned a bit on the green side.  Perhaps I am more sensitive to a green shift than a magenta shift.

Again, I am not that rigorous about setting white balance for my personal photography, especially in changing light, and freely adjust as a creative tool in Lightroom.  When copying art work or photographing antiques, family artifacts, etc. I do use custom white balance and a color checker.  I tend not to use an "M" camera for this work.