Leica M11 -purplish tint ???

[LocalHero1953]

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On 11/24/2024 at 3:32 PM, LocalHero1953 said:

I dip into this thread every five pages. Nothing changes, neither those posting nor arguments - just groundhog day.

As exciting as ever.

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[pedaes]

1 minute ago, Jeff S said:

Marketing. 

Of course - but we expect that.

[jaapv]

2 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

One could say the same about various videos from Leica.  Marketing. 

Yes. For the same reason - the company wants to sell.

[Jeff S]

Exactly 

[pedaes]

3 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

As exciting as ever.

About as good as it gets on a dull afternoon post Christmas!

[Jeff S]

1 minute ago, pedaes said:

Of course - but we expect that.

And we don’t expect that folks on the internet are trying to sell stuff (including subscriptions)?  🤪

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1 minute ago, pedaes said:

About as good as it gets on a dull afternoon post Christmas!

I've just made a prawn curry. Bit worried that it looks a bit too red

[Ne314satel]

3 hours ago, lct said:

Just play with this little tool below

Yes, you can make almost any color of individual objects in a photo or the entire photo. But then you don't need a Leica camera. Shoot with a $100 camera with terrible color  and colorize in Photoshop.

[Ex Orient Lux]

55 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Maybe, but I do not know to what extent they have been enhanced to "show the problem"... As Pedaes says, he wants to sell. His site is a front for this: https://verygoodpresets.com/

[...] can you please shift down a gear just for one second. Cutt this guy some slack please, will you? His website is not a "front" (which indicates a scam of some sort and is - if you think about it - quite insulting). It is a website about a photographer and his activities who happens to make some decent pictures and sell presets which he has developed out of his work . All that to make a living out of photography. Can you imagine?

[pedaes]

7 minutes ago, Ex Orient Lux said:

Can you imagine?

Yes, and all that is 100% fine and legitimate. What we are talking about is the use of his video as evidence of a problem in this Thread. Do you not accept you can exaggerate a problem to sell a solution for it. As @Jeff S says, marketing.

[lct]

Every time newcomers appear on the forum (nothing personal), the same discussion starts over and over again. Déjà vu with the M240 ten years ago. It won't be otherwise as long as there are raw users setting WB manually vs jpeg users expecting cameras to do their own work. A good compromise would be for jpeg users to adjust WB in post but i guess they don't know how or they don't want to make the effort to do so. FWIW.

[Steve Ash]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb elmars:

…. This applies both to photos from the iPhone (which will of course be turned upside down here again), but also to photos from the Q3 or SL3, which have the same sensor!!!! But a completely different adjustment of the white balance! What's the point of that?

 

I completely agree. As a company it does not make sense to have different settings for their camera lines. The colors should be equivalent across the different cameras. If not, nobody  at Leica should talk about Leica colors ever.

[jaapv]

20 minutes ago, Steve Ash said:

Leica colors

Which never existed outside of marketing speak anyway. 

[elmars]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Steve Ash:

I completely agree. As a company it does not make sense to have different settings for their camera lines. The colors should be equivalent across the different cameras. If not, nobody  at Leica should talk about Leica colors ever.

Abolutely right, Steve!

It's absolutely fine if someone finds the white balance of the M11 better than that of the Q3. However, you can only really tell the difference if you photograph the same subject in the same light with a fixed (!!!) white balance (such as daylight). Then everyone's eyes should open and the differences are almost embarrassingly large.

vor 26 Minuten schrieb lct:

Every time newcomers appear on the forum (nothing personal)

Our fellow forum member Don Daniel raised the issue of the Magenta Tint. He's been at it for a long time, just like Steve and me. So what's the point of such comments?

Can someone who does not see the problem explain the following to me: The magenta tint is a white balance issue. But how does the sensor (or its filter or other hardware) influence the white balance? If the answer is ‘not at all’, a separate colour profile should not help and some people here should stop their constant annoying claims that we don't have our image process under control. Better look at our pictures before you say something like that.

 

[Ex Orient Lux]

vor einer Stunde schrieb pedaes:

Yes, and all that is 100% fine and legitimate. What we are talking about is the use of his video as evidence of a problem in this Thread. Do you not accept you can exaggerate a problem to sell a solution for it. As @Jeff S says, marketing.

The video is not the evidence that the M11 white balance is faulty because it produces a magenta cast, it is just one illustration for this very problem. This thread alone goes on for over a year.  Already in post #5  a well respected  an well informed member, @elmars ,has stated the essentials on this subject:
 

Zitat

The magenta cast of the M11 is well known. Many like it, many don't. Personally, it is too pronounced for me, I would prefer a little less magenta. But it's not a problem with the RAW converters, they only process information from the camera.

And of course there are some more threads here on this very forum with various reports from members about the magenta cast. And there are other forums with reports of the magenta cast on the internet as well. So, if you at this point in time are still not convinced that the M11's white balance is off, nobody will ever convince you, I am afraid.

And then there are those who don't want to differentiate between a problem and the solution. This is the ‘just move the tint slider in Lightroom and everything is honkydory’ group.  They don't want to accept that other photographers are different from themselves and - for a variety of reasons - perhaps don't want to readjust the white balance for almost every image, whether with the sliders or via presets.  That's why they then cover those who believe that Leica should be able to provide neutral colours for the M11 with arrogance and/or ridicule. That's not very nice.
But they don't even notice that they are contradicting themselves when they deny that there is a problem at all on the one hand and on the other hand don't get tired of lecturing that you can get neutral colours for the M11 with just a few clicks in Lightroom. That in turn is funny. 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Ex Orient Lux
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[M11 for me]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb elmars:

Our fellow forum member Don Daniel raised the issue of the Magenta Tint

🤪, He is the devil 

Hi Daniel @don daniel , trotzdem alles Gute im Neuen Jahr. I appreciate your posts so much and you know that I read them all.

Edited December 27, 2024 by M11 for me

[jaapv]

3 minutes ago, Ex Orient Lux said:

And then there are those who don't want to differentiate between a problem and the solution.

If there is a solution, then where leaves that the problem? Certainly not worth banging on about. Especially if you make your "few clicks" the camera default - you will never have to move a slider again...

[elmars]

The solution should be on Leicas side not the users side. Leica caused the problem. 

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[Ex Orient Lux]

vor 29 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

If there is a solution, then where leaves that the problem? Certainly not worth banging on about. Especially if you make your "few clicks" the camera default - you will never have to move a slider again...

Please don't take offence, but I don't think there's any point in you and me continuing to debate this topic. I firmly believe that it is essential for a meaningful exchange between people to always try to make sense of what the other person has said and to respond to it.  Unfortunately, I can't see any of that in your answers. You constantly try to misunderstand me, take things out of context, shift the point of discussion and/or try to twist my words around. 

For me, that is no basis for a serious conversation. In fact, it is a waste of time for both of us. So let's just respectfully agree to disagree. 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Ex Orient Lux
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[lct]

1 hour ago, elmars said:

Better look at our pictures before you say something like that.

I do. Zero so-called magenta cast on mine. Bit of red oversaturation that is all.