Leica M11 -purplish tint ???

[jaapv]

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Yes, but are you going to increase red saturation, decrease cyan or do both?

[lct]

3 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Yes, but are you going to increase red saturation, decrease cyan or do both?

In my example just cyan.

[hdmesa]

11 hours ago, M11 for me said:

As a matter of fact Canon in its R5 gives you more than one option for AWB (auto white balance: "White Priority" or "Ambient Priority"). One can choose what suits best. I think that you make a very valid suggestion.

Nikon also offers an ambient AWB option. But neither Canon nor Nikon’s AWB using either setting gives too much magenta. Their alternative AWB are more based around temperature versus tint. Temperature errors don’t really come across as a problem, they just make the image look like a different time of day or season. Tint, however, is a beast — it must be accurate within an extremely narrow range to look right and appear neither too green nor too magenta. Just moving tint slightly causes dramatic changes to whether the image looks correct to the eye or not.

[jaapv]

That is why a whitebalace or grey card in the first shot of a shoot is so useful. It neutralizes everything and normally only temperature needs adjusting. Otherwise an individual camera profile (by light type or dual illuminant) can be very helpful. 

[hdmesa]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

That is why a whitebalace or grey card in the first shot of a shoot is so useful. 

Don’t leave home without one!

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[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

Don’t leave home without one!

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your still looks clean, I have had it for many years but turned totally yellow.

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6 hours ago, Photoworks said:

your still looks clean, I have had it for many years but turned totally yellow.

Yikes. Was it ever left sitting in the sun perhaps? 

[jaapv]

13 hours ago, lct said:

In my example just cyan.

The problem is that you a deforming the balance in RGB. When printing you will run into problems as the printer is a CMYK device. 

[lct]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

The problem is that you a deforming the balance in RGB. When printing you will run into problems as the printer is a CMYK device. 

Never got such problems in 20+ years and printing labs i deal with never reported them to me so far. I have no more cyan than magenta issues with the M11 and non-Adobe raw converters anyway, just a bit of red oversaturation inherent to the M11 color profile. This is easy to fix by reducing red saturation in PP or replacing the M11 profile with a generic one if needed. WB issues are another story, not specific to the M11 in my experience. A couple of clicks in iCorrect and it's gone generally. YMMV.

Edited November 29, 2023 by lct

[jaapv]

Unfortunately iCorrect is obsolete for Mac. It only works up to IOS 10.x and does not function with a Retina screen  

 

 

[frame-it]

iCorrect EditLab ProApp is compatible with Retina displays

 

 

[jaapv]

That is not what their website says. Nor does it support recent software like PS CC 24  

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[don daniel]

vor 19 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

That is why a whitebalace or grey card in the first shot of a shoot is so useful. It neutralizes everything and normally only temperature needs adjusting. Otherwise an individual camera profile (by light type or dual illuminant) can be very helpful. 

That's why a reliable white balance in the camera comes in quite handy. 😀 But you certainly are right, too.

[jaapv]

In my experience and this thread emphasizes it there is no camera that provides a reliable AWB. YMMV 

[Edax]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

In my experience and this thread emphasizes it there is no camera that provides a reliable AWB. YMMV 

Does this assessment include the iPhone camera?? 🤔

[don daniel]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

In my experience and this thread emphasizes it there is no camera that provides a reliable AWB. YMMV 

We will never agree on this. I think my Z9 has already proven a thousand times that you are wrong with this claim. And as for Leica: I would be happy with a better reliability of the white balance, especially concerning the tint. And Leica can do that much better, namely with the M10-R. But you resist the idea that Leica should make any optimization here at all. And I wonder why you do that. It simply helps no one.

[jaapv]

I must have been writing in Sanskrit…🤪

I never said Leica should not change, rather the opposite.  

[frame-it]

4 hours ago, jaapv said:

In my experience and this thread emphasizes it there is no camera that provides a reliable AWB. YMMV 

correct, especially on cameras with slower processors while shooting in changing light conditions.

Edited November 29, 2023 by frame-it

[frame-it]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

That is not what their website says. Nor does it support recent software like PS CC 24  

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yes, no more updates, but will work on retina and CatalinaOS

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[jaapv]

Crikey. I am on Sonoma 14.1.1.    I don’t even think that Catalina will run on a Silicon Mac.