helged Posted December 9, 2023 Share #121 Posted December 9, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Virob said: I could use a little help here. I received my 21/2 APO late this afternoon and took a couple test shots before it got too dark. Going through some of the files, several jumped out at me. I'm seeing what looks like excessive green/magenta colour fringing in the sail boat rigging in this example. It is observable noticeable at 100% magnification from the original DNG fie and very obvious at 200%. First is the full size image, the second is a cropped section for illustration. Of course, these are reduced jpegs but the effect should be clearly visible. I have taken pictures of this these boats at different times using a number of different lenses and have not observed this, or at least not to this extent. High winds and heavy rains are expected the next couple of days making it difficult to do further outdoor tests, but i plan on doing a side by side comparison with the sigma 20/2 once conditions permit. I have seem some mild magenta fringing with the Sigma but not like this. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon Warwick Posted December 9, 2023 Share #122 Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Looks like moire to my eyes. I get moire on my M11 files in certain circumstances (for example when I’m photographing a landscape in the Alps it’s typically moraine, which is the rock debris next to a glacier, that often seems to be susceptible to generating moire’s multi-color mess in parts of the image). Stuart’s advice a few months ago on a different thread re using the Enhance raw conversion in Adobe was very helpful and has helped clear up a lot of the problem. Other than that, to not have moire at all, i have found the high resolution mode on the SL2 worked well for me, or probably even easier just go up in megapixels (eg, compared to the M11, I tend to rarely see moire of the same glacier scenes when using my 100mp GFX). Going up in megapixels has benefits far beyond resolution imho, and hopefully whatever comes from an SL3 will help lessen moire. And finally, a Monochrom sensor would also give perhaps the most authentic image in terms of having no moire due to the benefit of not having a color filter array, but clearly won’t be useful with an SL 21mm lens! Edited December 9, 2023 by Jon Warwick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virob Posted December 9, 2023 Share #123 Posted December 9, 2023 Thanks @frame-it, @helged and @Jon Warwick. I think you guys are correct. It never occurred to me that this could be moire. Taking a 2nd look, most of what I am seeing is likely moire, but I will need to undertake some additional testing. This lens is definitely capable of tremendous detail and clarity. I do not have Photoshop, and haven't figured out yet how to use Affinity Photo to remove moire. I tried using FFT denoise filter as suggested but couldn't get it to work. If going to a higher res sensor helps, then I might actually be interested in an SL3! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted December 10, 2023 Share #124 Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Virob said: Thanks @frame-it, @helged and @Jon Warwick. I think you guys are correct. It never occurred to me that this could be moire. Taking a 2nd look, most of what I am seeing is likely moire, but I will need to undertake some additional testing. This lens is definitely capable of tremendous detail and clarity. I do not have Photoshop, and haven't figured out yet how to use Affinity Photo to remove moire. I tried using FFT denoise filter as suggested but couldn't get it to work. If going to a higher res sensor helps, then I might actually be interested in an SL3! i don't think affinity has a moire reduction/removal tool, probably have mask and blur then add noise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted December 10, 2023 Share #125 Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Virob said: I do not have Photoshop, and haven't figured out yet how to use Affinity Photo to remove moire. I tried using FFT denoise filter as suggested but couldn't get it to work. If you have Affinity v2, you might try this method: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/174644-moire-removal-using-live-bandpass-mask-photo-ipad-and-desktop/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virob Posted December 10, 2023 Share #126 Posted December 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Anbaric said: If you have Affinity v2, you might try this method: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/174644-moire-removal-using-live-bandpass-mask-photo-ipad-and-desktop/ I've tried it without much success but it might just take more time and practice. However,I am getting some reasonable (and easy) results using the chromatic tools in RawPower. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 10, 2023 Share #127 Posted December 10, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 hours ago, Virob said: Thanks @frame-it, @helged and @Jon Warwick. I think you guys are correct. It never occurred to me that this could be moire. Taking a 2nd look, most of what I am seeing is likely moire, but I will need to undertake some additional testing. This lens is definitely capable of tremendous detail and clarity. I do not have Photoshop, and haven't figured out yet how to use Affinity Photo to remove moire. I tried using FFT denoise filter as suggested but couldn't get it to work. If going to a higher res sensor helps, then I might actually be interested in an SL3! Photoshop and Lightroom are ten dollars a month...I know subscriptions suck, but it certainly would be cheaper than buying a new camera, especially when the problem is not the camera but the raw conversion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaudeamus Posted December 12, 2023 Share #128 Posted December 12, 2023 Leica SL (601) with SUPER-APO-SUMMICRON 2/21 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4939944'>More sharing options...
Popular Post helged Posted December 12, 2023 Popular Post Share #129 Posted December 12, 2023 Among the WA lenses I have experience with, SL21APO is optically at top. And that by quite some margin. As with the other SL-APO-Crons, quality is already outstanding at f2, and I find the close focus at 20-ish cm useful. These illustrative images are all taken with the SL2-S (from Hardanger, W Norway). The images of the Christmas star, the late evening landscape shot and the strawberry branch in snow are all taken at f2. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 45 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4940287'>More sharing options...
helged Posted December 30, 2023 Share #130 Posted December 30, 2023 A proud pine - fighting against loads of wet snow and wind, year after year. Lumix S1R with SL21. Click for larger view. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4967847'>More sharing options...
helged Posted December 31, 2023 Share #131 Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) The second last sunrise in 2023. Hardanger, Westen Norway. SL2-S with SL21. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 31, 2023 by helged 18 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4968172'>More sharing options...
robb Posted December 31, 2023 Share #132 Posted December 31, 2023 Love the 21. Great lens. Matching color to other APO's. Very Sharp. Some initial images. More info on each on my adventures thread. Robb Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 13 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4968722'>More sharing options...
robb Posted December 31, 2023 Share #133 Posted December 31, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4968723'>More sharing options...
robb Posted December 31, 2023 Share #134 Posted December 31, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 14 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4968724'>More sharing options...
robb Posted December 31, 2023 Share #135 Posted December 31, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4968726'>More sharing options...
MakinMemories Posted January 3, 2024 Share #136 Posted January 3, 2024 I am embarrassed to say that while I have had my SL21mm lens for several weeks, I just opened the box tonight...I have been beyond busy with work, year-end financials and pushing to finalize house plans so I could submit to city for permits before end of year. Anyway, wanted to use it tomorrow to take shots for a Robb Report ad we are running and my first test shots inside tonight and outside of street lights are impressive. Hopefully will get some excellent shots tomorrow that are worthy of a full page ad! So far my only 'nit' is this is the first Leica SL lens I have bought that did not include a soft case-nothing but a clear plastic bag... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted January 3, 2024 Share #137 Posted January 3, 2024 Am 31.12.2023 um 20:23 schrieb robb: Love the 21. Great lens. Matching color to other APO's. Very Sharp. Some initial images. More info on each on my adventures thread. ...yes, a great lens! Here are some more examples all with APO-SL 21mm and different SL bodies Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383287-where-are-all-the-reviews-of-the-21-apo/?do=findComment&comment=4971457'>More sharing options...
Virob Posted January 5, 2024 Share #138 Posted January 5, 2024 On 1/2/2024 at 8:44 PM, MakinMemories said: So far my only 'nit' is this is the first Leica SL lens I have bought that did not include a soft case-nothing but a clear plastic bag... Mine came with a soft case. After some initial concerns, I’m really enjoying this lens. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 5, 2024 Share #139 Posted January 5, 2024 On 1/3/2024 at 5:44 AM, MakinMemories said: I am embarrassed to say that while I have had my SL21mm lens for several weeks, I just opened the box tonight...I have been beyond busy with work, year-end financials and pushing to finalize house plans so I could submit to city for permits before end of year. So far my only 'nit' is this is the first Leica SL lens I have bought that did not include a soft case-nothing but a clear plastic bag... Soft case was included for me as well (remaining in the box, but nevertheless part of the 'package'). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail Posted January 6, 2024 Share #140 Posted January 6, 2024 (edited) On 12/31/2023 at 11:23 PM, robb said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I'm very tempted to get this lens but curiously how much does it distort at the edges? It looks like there's some inevitable stretching going on with the guy on the left. How pronounced is this in your experience with the 21? Edited January 6, 2024 by Sohail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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