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18 hours ago, gotium said:

Well black paint would negate those advantages I mentioned about grippiness and lighter weight. If it’s black paint it should really have the thumb lever.

My black paint M10-R is plenty 'grippy.' Haven't dropped it once. 😅 

And I don't need no thumb grip (or clothes/bag grabber as I call them (plus I use my hot shoe for things like an optical finder of Profoto Connect). That said, I do like the faux advance of the M10-D and it would be a shame to not carry that over as a feature of the D line. But in that spirit, it should also have only single shot advance mode, no auto iso, (perhaps the 10-D is like that), no A mode, no wifi or bluetooth, and a two button format push like Nikon's do. If you really want to make it a digital 'film camera' then really do so.  

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IMO the whole grippy/non-grippy thing is overrated, esp since Leica introduced the 'bump' to the rear with the M10. But if we must, of my four M's, I'll rate the black paint(ish) M9 and truly black paint M10-R as the grippiest, the M10M next one down and my silver M3 as the least grippy (though it does have the winder). If I truly need an all day, heavy working situation grip, I use a - wait for it - dedicated front grip! The one Leica makes for it. It adds a bit of height to the camera, but does relieve some hand cramping and leaves the hot shoe free. Right now my M10M has the dedicated grip on it all the time - because I misplaced the damn baseplate! I know I put it some place 'safe'.... 😂

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24 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

IMO the whole grippy/non-grippy thing is overrated, esp since Leica introduced the 'bump' to the rear with the M10. But if we must, of my four M's, I'll rate the black paint(ish) M9 and truly black paint M10-R as the grippiest, the M10M next one down and my silver M3 as the least grippy (though it does have the winder). If I truly need an all day, heavy working situation grip, I use a - wait for it - dedicated front grip! The one Leica makes for it. It adds a bit of height to the camera, but does relieve some hand cramping and leaves the hot shoe free. Right now my M10M has the dedicated grip on it all the time - because I misplaced the damn baseplate! I know I put it some place 'safe'.... 😂

Have you tried the M11? I was surprised how much easier it is to hold. I always used Steven’s stick-on “thumbie” with my other Ms, but felt no need with the M11

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Dear M10-D fans,

 

The M10-D is my first and only digital M. I bought a SL (601) as a second M body after two years. I can't imagine what can be improved by deliberately breaking the continuity of the M10-D. If the new “non fake winding lever” means taking “a functional one”. Great. Canceling it will be mainstream cowardice. Often without a belt while making pictures, only hands-free, the integrated thumb support is the best feature of all for fast, stable photography.

The EV correction on the rear side is great. No ugly on-off slide switch like all other M is just as great. Changing from M6 (old) to M10-D is always the same ergonomic, beloved workflow. And switching it on unintentionally is impossible for me because it is always on, but 2 minutes self-off...

The thing with the sure great 60 megapixels, I don't know what the point is. A M10-R sensor in a M10-D housing would be sufficient.

Only the collector aspect of the M11-D if painted black and unused to sell again in four years in order to further finance Leica GAS...

 

I'll stick with the M10-D and perhaps will use a SL3 instead of the SL as a second M body, where everything like the large sensor, BSI and IBIS makes sense with the Noctilux and Summilux including weight balance.

 

Just my way to think about…

 

Happy Easter

 

Chris

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I've done many designs for M11-D cameras in the past, but they were always quirky ones that I wanted for myself (only one button etc).

This is what I predict the M11-D will actually look like.

I think Leica will not go 'minimalist / least possible number of controls' like the M60 was

I think it will not be 'like a film camera' like the M10-D was a nod towards.

I think it will simply be 'all analog controls - oh yeah and no screen'. So being able to access all the shooting functions you could want with a switch or knob. No reduction in functionality.

As we have heard the ISO dial is on the back again, my guess is the rewind knob will take on some basic shooting functions, like this:

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Alternative, the ISO could remain as per the M11 and the rear dial could have even more shooting functions, like keystone correct, timelapse 1 second, timelaspe 60s, and so on ...

Oh, I don't know what the red dot is ... ceretainly not video! Perhaps a user-defined mode that you can set in Fotos ...?

Bascially, the idea is no limitation due to lack of screen. The Fotos version would allow everything that you can do in the normal M11 menu, not the cut-down version the M10-D had ....

But! No need to access Fotos for actual shooting (unlike the M10-D where you had to connect  to Fotos to activate the self timer)

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, gotium said:

Have you tried the M11? I was surprised how much easier it is to hold. I always used Steven’s stick-on “thumbie” with my other Ms, but felt no need with the M11

I have. I found the finish to be fine. But overall, having used M's since 1996, I find the whole unable to grip/hold steady without an extra doo-hickey thing to be overrated. IMO it's another excuse to spend money on add ons (like cases, boutique straps, soft shutter releases etc). Nothing wrong with that, but the camera shoots just fine as is. 

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And further to my M11-D prediction above:

A visoflex will be inculded in the special edition package

Full M11 menus will be accesible via the Visoflex

Menu navigation will be my thumbwheel, thumbpress, and the top plate function button. (There is no D pad, obviously)

This allows full functionality, including setting lens codes, full screen EVF for any sized lens 15mm-135mm and beyond ...

Plus this allows close ups using the new flagship 50mm and 35mm lenses ...

Yes, I know, menus on a -D ... but this is all part of the 'full function, just no screen' ethos ...

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Yesterday in Venice, got distracted by too many concurrent happenings-

I dropped my camera and whilst fumbling to grasp it I dropped my iPhone.

Fortunately one had a neck strap and other a wrist strap and both correctly attached to me- so neither hit the ground.

Thankful for using the straps !!

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23 hours ago, gotium said:

Have you tried the M11? I was surprised how much easier it is to hold. I always used Steven’s stick-on “thumbie” with my other Ms, but felt no need with the M11

Agree, the M11 is just right in my hand.

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17 hours ago, Datsch said:

Full M11 menus will be accesible via the Visoflex

Menu navigation will be my thumbwheel, thumbpress, and the top plate function button. (There is no D pad, obviously)

Before he was banned, presumably for leaking information(?), a user claimed that the M11-D would not be able to access menus via the visoflex. Take that as you will. 

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Before he was banned, presumably for leaking information(?), a user claimed that the M11-D would not be able to access menus via the visoflex. Take that as you will. 

I should add he also said no to it having a brass body with black paint... 

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There must be a few all brass bodies laying about since they officially cancelled the silver model M11. If they want 70 perhaps that is already in inventory.

The lead times on special limited edition models is significant. For example, Silver Rim Black limited edition lenses were released less than two weeks ago, but production was in June 2023.

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12 hours ago, Stevejack said:

Before he was banned, presumably for leaking information(?), a user claimed that the M11-D would not be able to access menus via the visoflex. Take that as you will. 

If that's the case then I would for sure pass on an M11-D.  IMHO, the Visa access is a workable solution, but if no Visa then anyone have an idea how to change important settings such a self-timer for example?

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1 hour ago, algrove said:

anyone have an idea how to change important settings such a self-timer for example?

One the M-D it is on the ring around the shutter button, 12 seconds only. Works great.

On the M10-D it is only activated via Fotos app. A bit fiddly in my view.

I proposed a few posts ago that on the M11-D it could be where the ISO dial is now on the M11, on the old film rewind knob, and it would be possible to have 12s and 2s for example.

I totally agree these few shooting functions should be accessible easily, and preferably with an analog switch rather than a menu in a visoflex or an app on a separate device ...

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2 hours ago, Datsch said:

One the M-D it is on the ring around the shutter button, 12 seconds only. Works great.

On the M10-D it is only activated via Fotos app. A bit fiddly in my view.

I proposed a few posts ago that on the M11-D it could be where the ISO dial is now on the M11, on the old film rewind knob, and it would be possible to have 12s and 2s for example.

I totally agree these few shooting functions should be accessible easily, and preferably with an analog switch rather than a menu in a visoflex or an app on a separate device ...

I actually think using the old rewind knob is an excellent throwback to earlier days, but what if I want to change exp mode or any more detailed settings I now have configured via User profiles? Hybrid shutter off and use elec shutter for example if needed or wanted?

The more I am thinking about this the less I want one when they offer it to me.

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5 minutes ago, algrove said:

what if I want to change exp mode or any more detailed settings

Obviously, I don't know for sure. Some of those settings could be via Fotos -- on the M10-D there was a range of settings like that via the Fotos app, but a cut-down selection and not all by any means (no manual lens selection was not available for example).

Hopefully Leica have learned and the Fotos app will allow a wider range of option setting for the M11-D ...

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