Q3 1.3 firmware

[Lumen.lens]

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1 hour ago, Lumen.lens said:

Hello all. My Q3 is stuck updating to this new firmware.

It's been going for over 20 minutes which is very concerning. What are my options? Turning it off seems like the only option but that is of course a scary thing to do during an update. Thanks. 

This was through the fotos app

[StefanoGili]

I've never experienced a camera freeze with original firmware, neither with 1.2, after updating 1.3 today, shooting single shots in a fast sequence the camera freezed 2 times and i had to pull out the battery.

 

Not a nice work...

[DavidS]

Settings saved, FW 1.3 loaded, Settings imported.

All good.

But picture count reset to 1000000.

?

[jaapv]

Made wiser by quite a few sad experiences I never update any electronic equipment until a couple of weeks have passed -if at all when I don’t see an advantage. 

[TDE-Photo]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Tobers:

There appears to be a bug in v1.3.

If iAF is selected, the viewfinder and rear screen exposure that is displayed looks normal until the shutter is half pressed at which point it dims by about 2 stops. When the picture is taken it looks like the undimmed exposure. 

If AFs is selected, there is no dimming of the image in the viewfinder or rear display when the shutter is half pressed.

Conclusion: something weird going on with iAF affecting displayed exposure on half press of shutter release. 

This is repeatable. 

Anyone else have the same?

 

Yes I have mentioned this already above your thread. That was fixed already in the last update and now the problem is back

[JimKnopf]

vor 13 Stunden schrieb Simone_DF:

Remember that this is the first iteration of phase detect for both Leica and Panasonic. It will take some time - at least a couple of years - to improve and fine tune it.  

sorry, leica always claims its good name and the long tradition and pioneering spirit of photography history.
Then I expect that they will be able to master technologies that have already been tried and tested on the market for decades.

[Simone_DF]

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1 hour ago, JimKnopf said:

sorry, leica always claims its good name and the long tradition and pioneering spirit of photography history.
Then I expect that they will be able to master technologies that have already been tried and tested on the market for decades.

Leica = Panasonic in this case. That's where they get their AF from.

PDAF has been tried and tested by other companies which won't share their precious code with Panasonic. 

Panasonic has to build PDAF from scratch, like everybody else. You cannot master this kind of technology in one/two years of development, it takes longer. The main issue is that Panasonic was so stupidly stubborn with their reliance on their proprietary DFD, so they are late to the game

[MindsEye]

19 hours ago, BobsFirstLeica said:

This sphincter-tightening issue occurred updating to 1.2 with the FOTOS app.  Vowed never to update from the app again.  Used an SD card with no issues and it was relatively brief.  I would highly recommend anyone doing the update to stay on the safe side and use an SD card.  Also, please let everyone know what method you used.  My assumption about updating from the SD card may be incorrect.

Bob

Bob,

Good point about letting others know which method you used to update. I did use the SD card method which had worked fine for me with 1.2. I inherently don't trust using an app for a firmware update. However, it still took at least 15 minutes to update to 1.3. I had literally just called my Leica contact for help and it completed, thankfully.

[MindsEye]

On 9/30/2023 at 3:43 AM, geesbert said:

Is the shut down time now longer than before? It is altogether about 7 seconds, first it shows a spinning wheel for 3 sec then the leica logo for 4 sec, even if you haven't takes a photo. 

I tried it a few times and it seems to shut down in about 3 seconds now. I'm not sure why Leica can't improve this further. My Fujifilm X-T5 bodies shut down and start up nearly instantaneously. And most non-Leica cameras I've owned are also much faster to start up and shut down. 

The speed at which I can see existing images by hitting the play button right after start-up is inconsistent, and can take up to a few seconds. At least it isn't locking up now (which previously required popping out and back in the battery)...at least not so far.

[BobsFirstLeica]

11 minutes ago, MindsEye said:

20 hours ago, BobsFirstLeica said:

This sphincter-tightening issue occurred updating to 1.2 with the FOTOS app.  Vowed never to update from the app again.  Used an SD card with no issues and it was relatively brief.  I would highly recommend anyone doing the update to stay on the safe side and use an SD card.  Also, please let everyone know what method you used.  My assumption about updating from the SD card may be incorrect.

Bob

Bob,

Good point about letting others know which method you used to update. I did use the SD card method which had worked fine for me with 1.2. I inherently don't trust using an app for a firmware update. However, it still took at least 15 minutes to update to 1.3. I had literally just called my Leica contact for help and it completed, thankfully.

I wonder what causes the variation in update times since the cameras are, after all, identical?  More a rhetorical question than a query.

Bob

[MindsEye]

18 hours ago, jaapv said:

Made wiser by quite a few sad experiences I never update any electronic equipment until a couple of weeks have passed -if at all when I don’t see an advantage. 

I agree and generally practice the same thing. In this case, with my Q3, I was sometimes experiencing freezes requiring battery removal when using playback. Now with 1.3 it appears to be fixed. 🤞

[Avatar]

Updated via the app last night. Finally after wasting hours trying to get settings to save in default profile, I reset the camera and set everything up again.

Worst experience I've ever had updating a camera. Even now..I set exposure type to Highlight Weighted and it reverts to Multi sometimes.

I was experimenting with On and off times. Start up time is much improved..I noticed if I start up and not shut it off for about a minute off time is faster than just quick On and Off.

Also, the camera does not remember the choice of DNG only..it switches to DNG/JPEG.

Custom controls do not seem to stick reliably whatsoever..

I wonder if updatng via the app had anything to do with these problems.

If I can go back to 1.2 I certainly will. Tired of resetting the camera.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Avatar

[Knorp]

24 minutes ago, Avatar said:

Updated via the app last night. Finally after wasting hours trying to get settings to save in default profile, I reset the camera and set everything up again.

Worst experience I've ever had updating a camera. Even now..I set exposure type to Highlight Weighted and it reverts to Multi sometimes.

I was experimenting with On and off times. Start up time is much improved..I noticed if I start up and not shut it off for about a minute off time is faster than just quick On and Off.

Also, the camera does not remember the choice of DNG only..it switches to DNG/JPEG.

Custom controls do not seem to stick reliably whatsoever..

I wonder if updatng via the app had anything to do with these problems.

If I can go back to 1.2 I certainly will. Tired of resetting the camera.

Though I could be wrong or misunderstand you, but you can’t save to the default profile. You’ve got to create your own ‘new’ profile.

Just saying …

Edited October 2, 2023 by Knorp

[Avatar]

I was never clear on if a profile was needed to be set up. When I got the Q3, it seemed as if you are correct and a profile must be created. I then set up a profile and it worked fine.

Upon updating the firmware today,  I had big problems making a profile. I was able to make one but no settings were sticking. Finally I reset the camera and was able to get everything working.

What i don't understand is why sometimes settings are saved with default and other times it's not?

Right now, with the camera off and now on, the settings are saved as i want them in the default profile.

I do not think a profile must be made and do believe it is supposed to work with remembering changes when the camera is switched off. Right now after a lot of experimenting it seems to be remembering my changes..If i turn the camera on and off a lot, it seems to change some settings but as of right now, I am tired of messing with it..

Last time I checked (60 seconds ago) all my changes are saved when i shut the camera off! I have no use for profiles and greatly prefer not to have any set up!

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Avatar

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4 hours ago, Avatar said:

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I do not think a profile must be made and do believe it is supposed to work with remembering changes when the camera is switched off. Right now after a lot of experimenting it seems to be remembering my changes..If i turn the camera on and off a lot, it seems to change some settings but as of right now, I am tired of messing with it..

Last time I checked (60 seconds ago) all my changes are saved when i shut the camera off! I have no use for profiles and greatly prefer not to have any set up!

 

Hi, Let me try to clarify. This is how it's meant to work...

1) When you first switch on your NEW camera, it will load the DEFAULT profile.

2) Any changes you make to the settings will be retained when you turn off/on the camera (it sounds like this wasn't always working for you?)

3) At any time, If you go back to the menu and re-select the DEFAULT profile you will lose all your setting changes.

4) So, once you have the camera set up as you like it you should save as a USER PROFILE. You can't save to the DEFAULT profile. If you make further changes to your settings that you want to persist then re-save to that USER PROFILE, or create a new USER PROFILE.

5) Your chosen USER PROFILE will remain selected if you turn off/on the camera.

6) When you update the FW the camera will/may lose all settings and PROFILES other than DEFAULT unless you have saved/restored the USER PROFILES during the FW update process.

Long story, short.... you should use at least one USER PROFILE to make life easy for you.

[Qwertynm]

Am 30.9.2023 um 20:53 schrieb DavidS:

Settings saved, FW 1.3 loaded, Settings imported.

All good.

But picture count reset to 1000000.

?

Copy your last image into the folder on your card named 100LEICA (inside DCIM -> 100LEICA) and now take another image with the old file and filenumber on the camera. It will count from that last image from then on. Alternatively rename your first image with the new firmware L1000001 to L1002488 (in my case) and go from there. Annoying to say the least, but there is a workaround.

I've updated trough the Fotos App and don't have the User Profile issues some of you are reporting. It defaults to my profile that the camera saved to the SD prior to updating to 1.3. Wish you patience in resolving these ridiculous FW issues...

Edited October 2, 2023 by Qwertynm
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[idusidusi]

On 9/30/2023 at 8:11 PM, Lumen.lens said:

This was through the fotos app

When you try again do it with the update on a SD card instead of Fotos app.

[Knorp]

6 hours ago, Qwertynm said:

Copy your last image into the folder on your card named 100LEICA (inside DCIM -> 100LEICA) and now take another image with the old file and filenumber on the camera. It will count from that last image from then on. Alternatively rename your first image with the new firmware L1000001 to L1002488 (in my case) and go from there. Annoying to say the least, but there is a workaround.

I've updated trough the Fotos App and don't have the User Profile issues some of you are reporting. It defaults to my profile that the camera saved to the SD prior to updating to 1.3. Wish you patience in resolving these ridiculous FW issues...

Really amazing this. Feels like I'm back in 2007 with my M8 ... 🤮

[Avatar]

11 hours ago, Corius said:

Hi, Let me try to clarify. This is how it's meant to work...

1) When you first switch on your NEW camera, it will load the DEFAULT profile.

2) Any changes you make to the settings will be retained when you turn off/on the camera (it sounds like this wasn't always working for you?)

3) At any time, If you go back to the menu and re-select the DEFAULT profile you will lose all your setting changes.

4) So, once you have the camera set up as you like it you should save as a USER PROFILE. You can't save to the DEFAULT profile. If you make further changes to your settings that you want to persist then re-save to that USER PROFILE, or create a new USER PROFILE.

5) Your chosen USER PROFILE will remain selected if you turn off/on the camera.

6) When you update the FW the camera will/may lose all settings and PROFILES other than DEFAULT unless you have saved/restored the USER PROFILES during the FW update process.

Long story, short.... you should use at least one USER PROFILE to make life easy for you.

Thank you for the detailed explanation of how default profile works. When I first got the Q3, I did set up a profile because I wasn't clear if settings would stay in Default.

It seems some users believe if you do not set a profile the changes made to settings will not be retained. That never made sense to me and of course that's not the case. But only until yesterday  did I get the camera set to my liking without making a profile.

The big problem was when I updated the firmware had many problems with settings being saved in default and when I gave up and created a profile, it took a very long time and was not able to be selected.

When I reset the camera, and changed the settings, some of them would not stick when the camera was switched on and off a few times in a row.

No idea how it got sorted out but finally it's working fine and your explanation makes perfect sense. You've confirmed what I originally thought that no profile must be made but it's good to have in case DEFAULT gets selected which would reset settings as new.

In the future as others have stated, I will wait a bit of time before updating to the latest firmware!

 

 

 

 

 

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[Daniel C.1975]

Just for the statistics:

I have saved my user profiles, updated the FW to 1.3 via the SD-Card method, imported the user-profiles and afterwards packed a SD-card with my last taken image in. All is working as it should, including the file numbering. 
 

Is 1.3 perfect? Nope, but at least I have not seen any of the here described issues with the update - and never had so far with other Leica cameras.