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Am 13.9.2023 um 03:04 schrieb madNbad:

I tried a couple of DSLR. I like the A7II as a camera but to be effective when out and about, it means adding a battery grip and the lenses are large. I have no desire for a digital M camera and so far the only new camera that has caught my eye is the ZFc. I enjoy the process of using film, mostly because there’s always a bit of mystery if I have done everything right. If traveling by air, it’s too risky to carry film and I’ve reached the point of using my phone to document the trip. If we traveled by air more often, I would invest in a real digital camera but that’s low on the list.

The only way for you to really know is pick a digital camera out of the box and make it your primary for a month. If you’re already using cameras with AE, it’s not that much of a jump, plus you can dial up any ISO you need.

The thing I’m trying to avoid is medium format. There’s something about those big negatives and only twelve exposures.

Oh yes, there sure is something about that. I’m sure there is a 500c waiting for you somewhere. There was one for me, and I don’t regret any bit of going for it.

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The ever increasing costs of color film is really challenging. I'm trying to tough it out but it is increasingly sucking the fun out of color film photography for me, such that it's quickly becoming a rare treat rather than a constant companion.

Seeing Kodak Pro Image 100 finally return but at double the price it was previously is a massive disappointment. I find it hard to imagine color film will endure at these prices, at least here in Australia.

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Ii have a rather large assortment of film cameras, 35 and 120. I have a Leica CL digital I bought new from Leica when they first came out. Additionally I have four Canon digitals. As a retired professional photographer I started out with film in the 1970's. Shooting film is enjoyable, shooting digital is just an extension of my computer. Working in the darkroom, loading, reloading, developing, printing, burning and dodging. Yes there are definite limits to print film enhancements. Film places the burden on the photographer's skills; the burden with digital is the software, and skill level of the computer operator to manipulate the image.

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I have no itch, I’m just finished with film on travels by plane. Had very damaged 120 films coming out of my Hasselblad after a trip to Tenerife with great shots of El Teide. Such a waste of energy and money. Airport personel at Tenerife was nasty and rude. 
I go to Malaysia next month and I’ll enjoy the peace of mind of my M10-R and leave my M7 alone. Films will have their turn again when travelling by boat and car.

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb otto.f:

I have no itch, I’m just finished with film on travels by plane. Had very damaged 120 films coming out of my Hasselblad after a trip to Tenerife with great shots of El Teide. Such a waste of energy and money. Airport personel at Tenerife was nasty and rude. 
I go to Malaysia next month and I’ll enjoy the peace of mind of my M10-R and leave my M7 alone. Films will have their turn again when travelling by boat and car.

That is really a big struggle tbh! Had a similar experience in Heathrow, London! The airport staff didn't want to hand check the film. They insisted that all film speeds up to 800 will be fine and they were not open for a discussion. I had luck that it seems none of the exposed films have been damaged but was really upset until I received the results from the lab! And it definitely makes travelling way more inconvenient! Does not mean I will stop doing it but definitely a decision to make whether you'd like to bring film or not if travelling via plane! 

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5 hours ago, Jewl said:

That is really a big struggle tbh! Had a similar experience in Heathrow, London! The airport staff didn't want to hand check the film. They insisted that all film speeds up to 800 will be fine and they were not open for a discussion. I had luck that it seems none of the exposed films have been damaged but was really upset until I received the results from the lab! And it definitely makes travelling way more inconvenient! Does not mean I will stop doing it but definitely a decision to make whether you'd like to bring film or not if travelling via plane! 

That and lack of time wrt work commitments have made me give up on film now. It was fun, but past 4 years I've definitely been getting more consistent and easier results with digital. Sold the M7, all the film the darkroom stuff and paper this last month.

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10 hours ago, otto.f said:

I have no itch, I’m just finished with film on travels by plane. Had very damaged 120 films coming out of my Hasselblad after a trip to Tenerife with great shots of El Teide. Such a waste of energy and money. Airport personel at Tenerife was nasty and rude. 
I go to Malaysia next month and I’ll enjoy the peace of mind of my M10-R and leave my M7 alone. Films will have their turn again when travelling by boat and car.

This is a very good example what made me also getting a used digital MM 246 for travel instead of using my Leica M with B&W film. Film only for places which I can reach by car. Results with my monochrome M are so good that I feel less the itch these days to use B&W film. 

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1 hour ago, qqphot said:

i do both extensively, but my digital stuff is all with sony cameras. often with a summicron adapted, but the digital leica bodies don't really appeal to me.

I'm the same but opposite, my film shooting is mainy medium format on Bronica SQ-Ai and my Leica stuff is on M9s.

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I get the itch. I’ve burned through a few digital cameras and at one point they were my main system. But for 10 years now film has been my go to. Still is. I tried a bunch of the latest digital Ms and I still have an SL2s which doesn’t get much use, the digital Ms I sold. I now have an old m6 and the new one. The SL2s is for low light situations with odd lighting and when I’m using some lighting for ideas. I’ll take film shots at the same time but in those situations digital is great. The rest of the time I shoot film. Mainly because I don’t want to judge things the minute I shoot them, and resisting that is more effort when I’m trying to be in the moment. And I like the quality a lot, there’s a reason people try to make digital look like film not the other way around. But really it’s the whole experience. Like I said though, the moment I need to shoot in a more results based way I shoot digital. It’s just not that often. Don’t underestimate the pull of the advertising and marketing, it’s pervasive. It taps into much deeper consumer and capitalist systems. It’s a legitimate tool but I think for me it needs a specific use case before I’ll reach for it.

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Yes, I get the itch for immediate gratification and grab a digital M or SL

And then I get the itch to shoot film and I grab one of the analog M bodies

I usually have 1-2 analog bodies and 1-2 digital bodies when I go out to shoot 

Truly wonderful that I can interchange most M lenses on my analog and digital m bodies without any compromises 

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On 1/17/2024 at 12:21 PM, Martin B said:

This is a very good example what made me also getting a used digital MM 246 for travel instead of using my Leica M with B&W film. Film only for places which I can reach by car. Results with my monochrome M are so good that I feel less the itch these days to use B&W film. 

I'm a film shooter, and revitalizing my film work lately and stocking up on film (kits: M2, M6, M240, M246 + MF gear)..traveling both to London and Italy in the next month. I'd love to bring film only but people talking about the new CT scanners is concerning - however I've never had an issue in past years bringing film overseas from US. I took both the 240 and 246 to Greece in '22 and found that a nice dual kit. Shooting alternate days with each was fun. Maybe I'll stick with digital again for these trips...? 

Side convo: I'm considering exchanging the 240+246 for a single M10 variant...my heart is in film but I'm ok with having a digital M too...or have been considering an SL to use with my 90mm Summicron and 24mm and 50mm 'Lux V1 which is arriving tomorrow...

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37 minutes ago, bdolzani said:

I'm a film shooter, and revitalizing my film work lately and stocking up on film (kits: M2, M6, M240, M246 + MF gear)..traveling both to London and Italy in the next month. I'd love to bring film only but people talking about the new CT scanners is concerning - however I've never had an issue in past years bringing film overseas from US. I took both the 240 and 246 to Greece in '22 and found that a nice dual kit. Shooting alternate days with each was fun. Maybe I'll stick with digital again for these trips...? 

Side convo: I'm considering exchanging the 240+246 for a single M10 variant...my heart is in film but I'm ok with having a digital M too...or have been considering an SL to use with my 90mm Summicron and 24mm and 50mm 'Lux V1 which is arriving tomorrow...

A colleague recently travelled from Lisbon to Nice/France and he had to pass his MP, ( loaded with a half used roll of Trix rated / 400asa ) , through the scanners, security wouldn't bend saying that the scanners didn't fog film rated under 1000 ASA. The film was processed in France last week and of course there's a good level of base fogging and even on the last frame / negative you can actually see the image of the White Dot on the shutter curtain that measures the exposure on the MP.............So if you want to use film do not travel with it, in the camera, in cabin bags or even checked luggage, the strong likelyhood is that the film will be fogged to some degree by scanning. If you want to shoot film, buy at your destination and process there before returning home................But taking your didgtal M's will save all that bother and anxiety.

Regarding your 240/246 exchange considerations, I don't think you'd regret stepping up to the M10 versions.

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On 9/21/2023 at 3:40 AM, Sunyforreal said:

The Nikon ZF is an interesting digital alternative for us film shooters. Sort of feels like Nikon’s verson of a M10/M10p, or maybe SL2-S. Would be curious to hear yalls opinions. I have a lot of F mount glass, as well as a Contax G2 and Nikon F6 sitting around. Maybe this ZF could be a replacement? It certainly won’t replace my MP or FM3a.

I found the ZF so cluttered with buttons and a million choices on shooting especially compared to my M10.

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