Q3 binned at 36MP vs A7C II

[student]

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2 hours ago, nicci78 said:

We won't really need in 10 years a Q6 with 200MP to crop into oblivion, just a QL will be fine. With a new breed of small but still excellent SL lenses

 

 

 

Well 150 MP point, shoot, crop compact has already arrived, and makes Q3 a poor cousin at best. Optional "Accessories" apparently include a SUV, a helicopter and an admiring friend: 

 

[jaapv]

They both take pictures. And that is a rationale to compare in a review?  Let’s compare an Insta to a X2D. 

[darylgo]

21 minutes ago, jaapv said:

They both take pictures. And that is a rationale to compare in a review?  Let’s compare an Insta to a X2D. 

That makes no sense.  

Edited September 5, 2023 by darylgo

[LocalHero1953]

"I don't want an apple. I don't understand why anyone wants an apple. Nobody wants an apple. I want an orange. Everyone else wants an orange. Why can't I have an orange?"

Meanwhile the Q3 is flying off the shelves faster than Leica can make them.

?????

[dpitt]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Don't ask me the rationale for that decision - it looks like a classic Leica blunder like attempting to terminate the M series (which happily was reversed) but we will probably never know the real reasons.

+1 here.

Before I even knew what Leica stood for, my main reason to look into the M system in the first place was to find something with equal or better IQ in a more portable package. In the end I got much more than I bargained for, but compactness is still important.

I really can not understand why they design all the SL lens even larger than the R lenses The popularity of the excellent M lenses on the SL system is a clear sign that there is demand for a more compact/high quality lens range for the SL.

Why they killed the TL and CL? I hope it i was because they are developing a FF digital body with L mount in a form factor that competes with the CL and TL range. And I hope they develop compact FF lenses for the L mount to go with it.

[adrianh]

5 hours ago, nicci78 said:

What if the best competitor of Q3 is A7C II and not the A7RC ?

With interchangeable lens we won't need to rely on cropping anymore. 

For those using the Q3 in 36MP binned mode, what's the point anymore if you can just get a native 33MP camera ?

The cost saving can buy you more or better lenses than with A7CR

I think you are looking for a compact ILC. Even if the marketing tries to suggest otherwise, the Q3 is only partially going to fullfill this expectation.  

As someone mentioned, most of us Q users have another system to rely on. I am not interested in the A7Cx as I have the A7RV that is superior in all categories, save the portability. For that... I have the Q3. I would not want to rely SOLELY on the Q3. 

 

[jaapv]

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3 hours ago, darylgo said:

That makes no sense.  

Precisely

[SrMi]

6 hours ago, nicci78 said:

What if the best competitor of Q3 is A7C II and not the A7RC ?

With interchangeable lens we won't need to rely on cropping anymore. 

For those using the Q3 in 36MP binned mode, what's the point anymore if you can just get a native 33MP camera ?

The cost saving can buy you more or better lenses than with A7CR

There is no pixel binning in Leica cameras. Reduced resolutions are handled by firmware.

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, adrianh said:

As someone mentioned, most of us Q users have another system to rely on. I am not interested in the A7Cx as I have the A7RV that is superior in all categories, save the portability. For that... I have the Q3. I would not want to rely SOLELY on the Q3. 

 

That looks like a nice market gap for Leica to fill. Why have people buy a Sony/Canon/Nikon when they could buy a second Leica? 

[JTLeica]

15 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

That looks like a nice market gap for Leica to fill. Why have people buy a Sony/Canon/Nikon when they could buy a second Leica? 

I dont think it's a gap at all. A slightly smaller Full Frame system than the SL system, ultimately compromising on quality. As mentioned in an earlier post, the Sigma Contemporary lenses are as small as lenses get that are quality and full frame, and they are still much larger than the Q, whilst keeping quality high.

If you want lenses the size of a Q lens, you would likely not being faster than F4 on an ILC. A niche for sure.

[CalStanford]

7 hours ago, nicci78 said:

what I really want is a QL with interchangeable lens in a compact body with a bunch of small SL lenses.

Leica give us neither, but Sony does. That's the point of the comparison.

The small size, the über fast AF motor and high IQ of Sony newest lenses but into shame Leica SL line up. Leica has to revamp the whole SL line up already to catch on. 

We won't really need in 10 years a Q6 with 200MP to crop into oblivion, just a QL will be fine. With a new breed of small but still excellent SL lenses

 

 

 

Then buy a Sony. This is a Leica forum. These a7C discussions are seriously weird. Just go buy one. No one stops you! They'll be on sale in a few weeks.

[frame-it]

4 hours ago, student said:

Well 150 MP point, shoot, crop compact has already arrived, and makes Q3 a poor cousin at best. Optional "Accessories" apparently include a SUV, a helicopter and an admiring friend: 

 

this is cheaper

https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/ive-been-testing-the-galaxy-s23-ultras-200mp-camera-and-im-blown-away

[frame-it]

1 minute ago, CalStanford said:

This is a Leica forum. These a7C discussions are seriously weird

its not weird, the OP was comparing 2 systems.

[JTLeica]

12 minutes ago, frame-it said:

this is cheaper

https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/ive-been-testing-the-galaxy-s23-ultras-200mp-camera-and-im-blown-away

Basically the same 😆

[nicci78]

9 hours ago, jaapv said:

The hypothetical QL was the CL We all know what happened to that system. 

CL equivalent is A6400 

QL equivalent is A7CR 

[nicci78]

9 hours ago, jaapv said:

You are missing the concept. If you want an interchangeable lens camera, the Q series is simply not designed for you. The normal way to go about buying a camera is to make a list of you wishes and buy the one that fits them best, not buy a camera for emotional reasons or status or whatever and complain afterwards that it must be changed.

You are missing the real issue. After 8 years of Q then Q2 I don’t need another of the same with Q3 and won’t need a future Q4 with the exact same fixed lens. 
How many times should I buy the same Summilux-Q 28mm over and over again ? 

What can bring the concept forward is a QL : compact full frame with interchangeable compact lenses. 
Sony launched first the awesome RX1 but left it after second iteration for its interchangeable siblings. 
A7C is another step to bring back the compact form factor still with interchangeable lenses. And Sony made some pretty compact ones. SL lenses are behemoths next to them. 😢
 

Q3 is boring business as usual. 
A7C II & A7CR are the future, especially when you killed your APS-C line. 
Today Leica has neither compact full frame nor APS-C. Only big stuffs. 

Edited September 5, 2023 by nicci78

[Simone_DF]

2 hours ago, JTLeica said:

I dont think it's a gap at all. A slightly smaller Full Frame system than the SL system, ultimately compromising on quality. As mentioned in an earlier post, the Sigma Contemporary lenses are as small as lenses get that are quality and full frame, and they are still much larger than the Q, whilst keeping quality high.

If you want lenses the size of a Q lens, you would likely not being faster than F4 on an ILC. A niche for sure.

The Q is compromising on quality too. The lens is soft in the corners and it’s a fixed lens at 28mm. 

The Sigmas sure are small, I got two of them, but they don’t bring any money to Leica. Moreover, the SL2 is massive. 

[LocalHero1953]

6 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

CL equivalent is A6400 

QL equivalent is A7CR 

So what's the ML that people in this forum keep talking about?

[nicci78]

QL with L-Adapter-M would be the ML. 

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2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

So what's the ML that people in this forum keep talking about?

The ML is the little black box hanging off the back of the massive SL lenses