Greenhilltony Posted August 14, 2023 Share #1 Posted August 14, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use the IDS grip on my M10-P because I feel the M10-P is too heavy to grip for long time with the bare body. But for M4, I’m not sure if I also need a handgrip because it is way lighter than M10-P with the same lens setup. And for aesthetic reason I don’ like the IDS grip for analog M and also many other grips that enclose the whole baseplate with considerably ugly thickness add to the body. I very much prefer the sleek design of analog M-bodies. So I want to try the 14405 but when I saw its second-hand price I hesitated and found the made-in-our-China replica only sells at 1/3 of the preown-price for 14405. So I ordered one, but disappointed once I put it on. There is plenty much room between the handle and the body of my M4, and the grip becomes unsteady and crappy. I asked the manufacturer and his response is they made it primarily for M6, period. I have never touched an M6 in real life so I doubt if there is really that much difference between the M4 and M6? I thought the Leica Ms are quite consistent with the M4 design after the M5 affairs… Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380880-does-m6-get-bulkier-a-bit-than-m4-does-14405-grip-really-fit-all-ms-after-m4-except-m5/?do=findComment&comment=4835122'>More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted August 14, 2023 Share #2 Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) I use 14405 which I own many units on M4, M4-2, M4-P, M6, M-A, MP, etc. Since very long time user, only some Leitz/Leica lenses with goggles need to unmount the14405 first to mont the lens. Quite handy but the space between the the 14405 and the M is always there. I have nothing to say about the rigidity of the combo. https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/322529-any-difference-optically-between-summilux-35-classic-pre-asph-versions/?do=findComment&comment=4234448 I had a look at one 14405 of mine, The unit needed some works to be better, I added a thick rubber bumper between the handle and the M body, and the surface decay (felt like corrupted) was covered with something more durable. Edited August 14, 2023 by a.noctilux Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted August 14, 2023 Share #3 Posted August 14, 2023 Get rid of that Thing. Poor M4... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 15, 2023 Share #4 Posted August 15, 2023 The real 14405 fits much better than that. And fits the same on all my cameras I use it on - from MdA to M7. Only M5 is no go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 15, 2023 Share #5 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) I use a Leica 14405 when I want to centralise the tripod socket and it fits all my M cameras better than in your photo of the Chinese copy. BUT, the Leica grip does have a small rubber spacer/bump stop at the top of the handle and this rests against the body and stops the handle leaning in towards the body. If you glued a spacer in the same place it may well equalise the gap. The gap itself isn't small on the Leica grip, about the same along its length as the widest part in your copy. Of course it could work the other way and a spacer pushes the whole handle outwards even more. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 15, 2023 by 250swb Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380880-does-m6-get-bulkier-a-bit-than-m4-does-14405-grip-really-fit-all-ms-after-m4-except-m5/?do=findComment&comment=4835604'>More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted August 15, 2023 Share #6 Posted August 15, 2023 The very best is the Abrahamsson grip, if you need a grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 15, 2023 Share #7 Posted August 15, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, Bronco McBeast said: The very best is the Abrahamsson grip, if you need a grip. Are you confusing the Abrahamssom Winder and Grip with the far simpler and easier to use Leica 14405? I mean, why add so much weight just for the sake of holding on to the camera? Its a lovely thing, but I've got one and wouldn't recommend it given the OP's opening question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted August 15, 2023 Share #8 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) It’s a grip that can be attached either to the baseplate or to the Abrahamsson rapidwinder. It’s truly the best made grip. I own Two but never use them, I just can’t, as the naked Leica M camera is just so great as it is. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 15, 2023 by Bronco McBeast Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380880-does-m6-get-bulkier-a-bit-than-m4-does-14405-grip-really-fit-all-ms-after-m4-except-m5/?do=findComment&comment=4836135'>More sharing options...
Warton Posted August 16, 2023 Share #9 Posted August 16, 2023 I can live with a grip to a digital M camera because most of the time the baseplate is replaced by the part of the grip. A grip to a M film camera with extra piece onto the baseplate?! Hell no!!!, it is like a penis to a beautiful woman. Nothing wrong about it, you may like it but not my thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 16, 2023 Share #10 Posted August 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Warton said: ..A grip to a M film camera with extra piece onto the baseplate?! Hell no!!!, it is like a penis to a beautiful woman. Nothing wrong about it, you may like it but not my thing. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Want to give it another try? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warton Posted August 16, 2023 Share #11 Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Huss said: I have no idea what you’re talking about. Want to give it another try? no the feeling is ineffable. you are on your own. Edited August 16, 2023 by Warton Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 16, 2023 Share #12 Posted August 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warton said: no the feeling is ineffable. you are on your own. Rrrright. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 16, 2023 Share #13 Posted August 16, 2023 I find the Leica grip super handy. Because ….roll of the drums… it provides a grip. There is a reasom that pretty much every camera sold today has a built in grip, and built in grips started with the Nikon F3. The Leica M is more beautiful w/o one, but also is essentially a smooth bar of soap w/o one. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380880-does-m6-get-bulkier-a-bit-than-m4-does-14405-grip-really-fit-all-ms-after-m4-except-m5/?do=findComment&comment=4836270'>More sharing options...
hansvons Posted August 17, 2023 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) For me, my cameras are tools that must work as quickly and reliably as possible. I've solved that grip issue (which I find absolutely reasonable) with Velcro (also on the front side). Not pretty, but works great. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 17, 2023 by hansvons Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380880-does-m6-get-bulkier-a-bit-than-m4-does-14405-grip-really-fit-all-ms-after-m4-except-m5/?do=findComment&comment=4837091'>More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 17, 2023 Share #15 Posted August 17, 2023 12 hours ago, hansvons said: For me, my cameras are tools that must work as quickly and reliably as possible. I've solved that grip issue (which I find absolutely reasonable) with Velcro (also on the front side). Not pretty, but works great. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Do you put the matching side of the velcro on your fingers? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted August 17, 2023 Share #16 Posted August 17, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 8:41 PM, Huss said: I find the Leica grip super handy. Because ….roll of the drums… it provides a grip. There is a reasom that pretty much every camera sold today has a built in grip, and built in grips started with the Nikon F3. The Leica M is more beautiful w/o one, but also is essentially a smooth bar of soap w/o one. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Huss, is there a space between the grip and the body? KEH had a 14405 for ninety bucks and I thought I would give it a try. My problem with other grips was I couldn't use the self timer on the M4 because the grip was in the way. The only one I had that would accommodate using the timer was a really ugly 3D printed one that I gave away. I had a 14405 a long time ago for my first M6 but don't remember the fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted August 17, 2023 Share #17 Posted August 17, 2023 I never cared for a grip on a Leica. I was taught the palm of the left hand was the main camera support so the right hand was free to operate the film wind and shutter. The habits carried over to digital. Learned to carry in the left hand with strap wrapped around the wrist. Bring it up, focus with the left fingers while the right advances film to make ready to shoot. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhilltony Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share #18 Posted August 18, 2023 7 hours ago, TomB_tx said: I never cared for a grip on a Leica. I was taught the palm of the left hand was the main camera support so the right hand was free to operate the film wind and shutter. The habits carried over to digital. Learned to carry in the left hand with strap wrapped around the wrist. Bring it up, focus with the left fingers while the right advances film to make ready to shoot. That’s great if you always shoot from viewfinder. A grip is handy for holding the camera in every other than eye level and finding the feels of holding straight for horizons, if the camera and lens combo is quite heavy. But these days I realized with the same lens my M4 weighs less 200 grams than my M10-P with hand + thumb grips, and I can hold the M4 without my wrist and arm getting sore. So I will forget about the grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 18, 2023 Share #19 Posted August 18, 2023 8 hours ago, madNbad said: Huss, is there a space between the grip and the body? KEH had a 14405 for ninety bucks and I thought I would give it a try. My problem with other grips was I couldn't use the self timer on the M4 because the grip was in the way. The only one I had that would accommodate using the timer was a really ugly 3D printed one that I gave away. I had a 14405 a long time ago for my first M6 but don't remember the fit. The only M that I have w a self timer is my M3. And with that there is not enough room for the self timer to be used. But the self timer shape is different between the M3 and M4. The M3 has a very cool, but raised, set of concentric circles at the top forming a knob. It is that which causes interference. See photo. Of note, as another poster mentioned, there should be a small rubber bumper on the top inside of the grip that rests against the camera. This provides solidity while still allowing clearance for easy attachment and removal of grip with baseplate when changing film. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380880-does-m6-get-bulkier-a-bit-than-m4-does-14405-grip-really-fit-all-ms-after-m4-except-m5/?do=findComment&comment=4837836'>More sharing options...
madNbad Posted August 18, 2023 Share #20 Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) Thanks. I’ll try the one from KEH on the M4-2 and see if I like it. The grips always feel like they’re going to bend the tab on the baseplate when attaching it after loading the camera. I’m hoping the Leica version will be better. Edited August 18, 2023 by madNbad Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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