Q3 does not lock focus with rear button 1 or 2 , after 1 shot AF-1 unlocks . The programable rear buttons do not work like Q2 0or Q2M !

[M11 for me]

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vor 19 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

Set exposure to manual

Interesting enough here is a second thread with just that exact same theme (english as well). There that same proposal has been done already. I do not see any problem with the Q3. It might be here a problem of just getting used to a new tool. Leica might change that in a future FW release but then we will see the other side complaining that they forgot to take out that lock and all images are wrongly exposed . . .

[Nyarlanassar]

16 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Interesting enough here is a second thread with just that exact same theme (english as well). There that same proposal has been done already. I do not see any problem with the Q3. It might be here a problem of just getting used to a new tool. Leica might change that in a future FW release but then we will see the other side complaining that they forgot to take out that lock and all images are wrongly exposed . . .

Easily solved: just put the choice of behavior in settings, like, say, now you can set the starting point of field focus. Btw, ALL other brands keep the lock on.

Edited February 5, 2024 by Nyarlanassar

[M11 for me]

vor 21 Minuten schrieb Nyarlanassar:

ALL other brands keep the lock on.

Can we agree on the fact that with the Q3 its different. But that Q3 has an excellent manual mode like the film cameras in the 80ies or the M series. Have a try. And report then.

[Nyarlanassar]

3 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Can we agree on the fact that with the Q3 its different. But that Q3 has an excellent manual mode like the film cameras in the 80ies or the M series. Have a try. And report then.

No doubt. 😉

[mrlouie]

On 2/3/2024 at 9:23 AM, Nyarlanassar said:

Yes, AFAIK after a lot of complaints they solved the issue on the Q2 from firmware 5, but now it looks like they fall back to the same problem with the Q3. More, if you lock AE, you can't lock AF. And AF-lock has the same behavior. Totally useless. And in all cameras I have, it works flawlessly. It drives me crazy. 😤

Yep .. I mentioned this in the Q3 firmware's post while ago. It’s like going backwards not having AF-L stay locked after a shot. Makes no sense why my Q2M has updated software that fixed this issue already but my new Q3 has old bugs already solved.

Also in playback /delete mode … Q2M can zoom  in & out of photos while in this mode to check focus  .. Q3 stays either zoomed in or out ..  you must exit delete mode to zoom in or out .. big pain. 

How does the Q3 not have same software abilities as older generation camera right from the start? Makes no sense.  

Thankfully we got Highlight metering, someone forget they updated the AF-L too ? 

[jjesp]

The missing true back button focus is why I don't upgrade my Q 116 to Q3. It works fine on the Q, just like on any non Leica camera in the world. I simply don't understand this limitation. Or maybe they changed it by now?

Edited March 10, 2024 by jjesp

[Pindy]

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On 2/5/2024 at 5:00 AM, jaapv said:

But it is so easily solved. Set exposure to manual. Hardly an issue. That has the advantage that you can set exposure to spot and the focus to face recognition, for instance. 

I think you mean “… is so easy worked around…” 

What you’re proposing is not a solution but an alternate methodology. Back-button focus shouldn’t be about “locking” the focus until you decide it is to be unlocked, it should be about decoupling focus from the shutter button and re-assigning its functionality to another button. I won’t use a DSLR-shaped camera without first setting it to BBF. I agree that the experience is vastly superior, and if Leica chose to imply that users “drop some of their needs” because it doesn’t fit some sort of philosophy, then that is regrettable. And yet not unprecedented!

[Carrot]

AF-L … to me, lock should mean lock, press the function button once to focus and lock it, and allow me to compose and take other photos locked into that focus point until I press the button again. The Q3 AF-L function should be renamed just AF.

[jaapv]

On 2/5/2024 at 2:40 PM, Nyarlanassar said:

Easily solved: just put the choice of behavior in settings, like, say, now you can set the starting point of field focus. Btw, ALL other brands keep the lock on.

Since when does Leica do things “ like all other brands”. ? 

[radialMelt]

I was very surprised to see that this feature has regressed from how it worked on my Q2M. I agree with above posters that the AF should lock - and stay locked - while taking multiple photos in succession.

[wlaidlaw]

On 2/5/2024 at 1:04 PM, jaapv said:

I would not be too certain. When Leica takes a design decision they are rarely swayed. 

Even when a decision is brain dead, such as on the GPS on the M240, where they changed the system to auto-delete the GPS fix after 5 minutes instead of the previous 24 hours, (unless a new fix was obtained). Unfortunately it usually took the camera longer than 5 minutes to get a new fix so the GPS was effectively disabled. It took over 18 months for that stupidity to get corrected and 12 months after they agreed they had made an error. NIH (Not Invented Here) seems to apply. 

I wish Leica went back to their old system of passing beta versions of new FW out to a few selected real world (outside Leica) users, who might spot some howlers that have remained undetected internally. 

Wilson

[SrMi]

2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

fix after 5 minutes instead of the previous 24 hours, (unless a new fix was obtained).

I'd rather have no GPS data than a completely wrong location stored in a photo. Using GPS data older than ~15 minutes is broken, IMO.

[Pindy]

14 hours ago, Carrot said:

AF-L … to me, lock should mean lock, press the function button once to focus and lock it, and allow me to compose and take other photos locked into that focus point until I press the button again. The Q3 AF-L function should be renamed just AF.

Yes, I was just making a differentiation between AF-L and “true” BBF. Ultimately, implemented correctly the effect should be much the same. I would be happy if either of these variants actually worked. 

[wlaidlaw]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

I'd rather have no GPS data than a completely wrong location stored in a photo. Using GPS data older than ~15 minutes is broken, IMO.

It did not store GPS data it at all as the reception period was longer than the deletion. They changed it to a 2 hour period. How far are you usually going travel in a 2 hour window. At least it meant that in cities or inside buildings where the quite insensitive GPS receiver did not get a fix, one got an approximate fix, i.e. the correct city. Better than no data at all. it was information received from the likes of the post above that led Leica to making this error. 

Wilson

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, wlaidlaw said:

It did not store GPS data it at all as the reception period was longer than the deletion. They changed it to a 2 hour period. How far are you usually going travel in a 2 hour window. At least it meant that in cities or inside buildings where the quite insensitive GPS receiver did not get a fix, one got an approximate fix, i.e. the correct city. Better than no data at all. it was information received from the likes of the post above that led Leica to making this error. 

Wilson

Correct city is not good enough, I can do that manually as I can recognize the city from an image. But if I want to go back to the location to redo a shot I need more precise locations. The location stored is not just city, but a precise location within a city. A wrong one is worse than none. Leica was right in first implementation.

[wlaidlaw]

11 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Correct city is not good enough, I can do that manually as I can recognize the city from an image. But if I want to go back to the location to redo a shot I need more precise locations. The location stored is not just city, but a precise location within a city. A wrong one is worse than none. Leica was right in first implementation.

What do you fail to understand about the GPS not working at all. The deletion period started when the camera was switched on. When the GPS data was acquired it was immediately deleted as the acquisition period exceeded the deletion period. I would far rather have approximate GPS than none. Good luck with identifying city data from example India, where many cities look very similar. 

 

[jaapv]

No need to go that far. Try to differentiate Prague from Krakow or Budapest...

[Le Chef]

Write the name of the city, date and time in a notebook. It’s easier and more reliable than faffing about with flakey technology.

[jaapv]

Or press the video button and say the name of the place. 

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[Nitrox]

Am 15.3.2024 um 05:58 schrieb Pindy:

I think you mean “… is so easy worked around…” 

What you’re proposing is not a solution but an alternate methodology. Back-button focus shouldn’t be about “locking” the focus until you decide it is to be unlocked, it should be about decoupling focus from the shutter button and re-assigning its functionality to another button. I won’t use a DSLR-shaped camera without first setting it to BBF. I agree that the experience is vastly superior, and if Leica chose to imply that users “drop some of their needs” because it doesn’t fit some sort of philosophy, then that is regrettable. And yet not unprecedented!

Amen, Pindy. Any news whether proper BBF is possible on the Q3 now? Hasn't this been adressed yet in a firmware update?