SrMi Posted July 1 Share #321 Posted July 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: The Q, or may be all Leica’s, can’t do long exposure as I want, so therefore no need to put it on a tripod. PnS wasn’t meant badly, it was more meant in the sense that I would take it when photography isn’t the main objective, as I would have done with a PnS. The M11 is one of the best cameras for long exposures (10 minutes and greater). I have not tested the other ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Olaf_ZG Posted July 1 Share #322 Posted July 1 51 minutes ago, SrMi said: The M11 is one of the best cameras for long exposures (10 minutes and greater). I have not tested the other ones. With the need of LENR, so exposing another 10 minutes just for a black image. But, I still want more. HB (and GFX) can do around 60min without the second exposure. It is for this use case I decided to partially change system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 1 Share #323 Posted July 1 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: With the need of LENR, so exposing another 10 minutes just for a black image. But, I still want more. HB (and GFX) can do around 60min without the second exposure. It is for this use case I decided to partially change system. No LENR with M11 needed. In my 10 minutes test, I did not see any hot pixels that mattered. Edited July 1 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted July 1 Share #324 Posted July 1 I know this is a Q thread, but the Q is hopeless for long exposures (several minutes). I don’t own the m11, and guess I will never own it, so I can’t try that camera. However, this afternoon I tried to set up the SL2 for a long exposure session tomorrow. Put a ND16 filter on my lens, but can only expose more than one minute in manual mode. Why not in any other mode? Why can’t the camera calculate the exposure for me, and I can then either over-/under exposure? Manual focus seems to be tough, as the EVF won’t show me a clear sharp focus (but at f11 I guess focus will be okish). Complicated. Tomorrow I will play, but as I sold already most part of the SL system, and bought already some lenses from Hasselblad, there is no way I go back to Leica (for long exposure). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted July 1 Share #325 Posted July 1 Exposures up to 120 seconds on the Q3. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zFrTFnODXyE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 1 Share #326 Posted July 1 2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: I know this is a Q thread, but the Q is hopeless for long exposures (several minutes). I don’t own the m11, and guess I will never own it, so I can’t try that camera. However, this afternoon I tried to set up the SL2 for a long exposure session tomorrow. Put a ND16 filter on my lens, but can only expose more than one minute in manual mode. Why not in any other mode? Why can’t the camera calculate the exposure for me, and I can then either over-/under exposure? Manual focus seems to be tough, as the EVF won’t show me a clear sharp focus (but at f11 I guess focus will be okish). Complicated. Tomorrow I will play, but as I sold already most part of the SL system, and bought already some lenses from Hasselblad, there is no way I go back to Leica (for long exposure). SL2 and SL3 can operate in electronic shutter mode for up to 60 seconds. With the mechanical shutter, you can expose up to 30 minutes in manual mode. Most cameras, including GFX, can expose up to 30 seconds in Aperture priority mode. M11 and Hasselblads are an exception. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Perceptive Posted July 2 Share #327 Posted July 2 Advertisement (gone after registration) 14 hours ago, SrMi said: SL2 and SL3 can operate in electronic shutter mode for up to 60 seconds. With the mechanical shutter, you can expose up to 30 minutes in manual mode. Most cameras, including GFX, can expose up to 30 seconds in Aperture priority mode. M11 and Hasselblads are an exception. In timed mode you can set the GFX up to 15 mins (as with all X-series cameras since X-T2) - it goes in steps after 30s (60s,2min,4min,8min,15min effectively stops) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted July 2 Share #328 Posted July 2 On 7/1/2025 at 10:22 PM, keithlaban.co.uk said: Exposures up to 120 seconds on the Q3. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zFrTFnODXyE With upto 120 seconds for a black image. its great, but not for my use case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted July 2 Share #329 Posted July 2 22 hours ago, SrMi said: SL2 and SL3 can operate in electronic shutter mode for up to 60 seconds. With the mechanical shutter, you can expose up to 30 minutes in manual mode. Most cameras, including GFX, can expose up to 30 seconds in Aperture priority mode. M11 and Hasselblads are an exception. It is funny/strange though, that both Q3 and SL3 are not able to do several minutes whereas the M11 is… however, it is not really sold as such. That said, a m11 is not a camera I would buy. To much problems it seemed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted July 2 Share #330 Posted July 2 On 7/2/2025 at 7:27 AM, Olaf_ZG said: Manual focus seems to be tough, as the EVF won’t show me a clear sharp focus (but at f11 I guess focus will be okish). Complicated. Tomorrow I will play, but as I sold already most part of the SL system, and bought already some lenses from Hasselblad, there is no way I go back to Leica (for long exposure). Can I ask what you are shooting? I wondered if it was astronomical? If so I can make some suggestions re focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted July 3 Share #331 Posted July 3 6 hours ago, gbealnz said: Can I ask what you are shooting? I wondered if it was astronomical? If so I can make some suggestions re focus. At current the sea, in daylight. Thanks though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 3 Share #332 Posted July 3 My guess about cameras not allowing long exposures with autoexposure settings is that the metering is just not reliable, given that little light is reaching the sensor. There may also be questions about reciprocity failure when there are few photons hitting the sensor. Those cameras that do allow long exposures and autoexposure just may not have reliable metering. I'd be interested to hear your experience, @Olaf_ZG, as you set off into a new lifetime of long exposures. A while ago I made some long exposures in the market place with my Q3 43, looking at how long the exposure needed to be before moving people disappeared (up to 10 minutes). Starting from a normal exposure, I exposed for longer and longer by a combination of smaller stops and higher factor ND filters. Assuming the stops and filters were accurate, then the exposure was almost correct at the longest times, but not quite - generally a bit darker than it should have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted July 3 Share #333 Posted July 3 "There may also be questions about reciprocity failure when there are few photons hitting the sensor" Do sensors have reciprocity failure? I have a good bit of experience with film and compensating for reciprocity failure with long exposures but I wasn't aware that sensors suffered from the same issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted July 3 Share #334 Posted July 3 Easy....weight, size and little appreciable image quality enhancement...unless you just like big things...like cowboy hats and a gold Rolex. Ha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted July 3 Share #335 Posted July 3 Some weeks ago, I made some long exposures with the Q, but unless @LocalHero1953, I couldn’t get the camera over 2 minutes. For sure a user mistake. During this week, I get up early to photograph the sea (with a SL). I manage 4/5 clicks in 1,5h. Very frustrating cause half of the time I am waiting for a black image. So, to come back to the original question: x2d or q3? None. I sold the Q, but bought a x1d ii instead of the latest version. But, I will not use it as I would have used the Q. For that, I have a M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 3 Share #336 Posted July 3 8 hours ago, Mikep996 said: "There may also be questions about reciprocity failure when there are few photons hitting the sensor" Do sensors have reciprocity failure? I have a good bit of experience with film and compensating for reciprocity failure with long exposures but I wasn't aware that sensors suffered from the same issue. I don't have enough knowledge to say - it was just a speculation about why some cameras won't auto expose in low light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 3 Share #337 Posted July 3 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: Some weeks ago, I made some long exposures with the Q, but unless @LocalHero1953, I couldn’t get the camera over 2 minutes. For sure a user mistake. During this week, I get up early to photograph the sea (with a SL). I manage 4/5 clicks in 1,5h. Very frustrating cause half of the time I am waiting for a black image. So, to come back to the original question: x2d or q3? None. I sold the Q, but bought a x1d ii instead of the latest version. But, I will not use it as I would have used the Q. For that, I have a M. I had to check - my memory is often wrong. But here's confirmation. There was an 8 min black image as well. That smoke you see is just people. And a flag blowing in the breeze. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 3 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378031-q2q3-or-hasselblad-x2d-which-do-you-choose/?do=findComment&comment=5827962'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 3 Share #338 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said: Some weeks ago, I made some long exposures with the Q, but unless @LocalHero1953, I couldn’t get the camera over 2 minutes. For sure a user mistake. Which Q? With Q3, set the shutter speed dial to 1+ and you can set the exposure up to 60 minutes. 58 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: During this week, I get up early to photograph the sea (with a SL). I manage 4/5 clicks in 1,5h. Very frustrating cause half of the time I am waiting for a black image. LENR is optional in the latest SL cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 3 Share #339 Posted July 3 @SrMi Your post supposedly 'quotes' me, but that is @Olaf_ZG's post you're actually referring to. How did that happen?🤷♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 3 Share #340 Posted July 3 40 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: @SrMi Your post supposedly 'quotes' me, but that is @Olaf_ZG's post you're actually referring to. How did that happen?🤷♂️ Sorry about that; it's a bug in the forum software (I've been able to reproduce it). Select the first sentence from Olaf's post and click on Quote selection. Now select the second sentence and click on Quote selection, and the quote will say that it came from you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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