Capture One updates. Are they now too expensive?

[Chris W]

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14 hours ago, dpitt said:

I happened to buy C1P 23 for 200€ only 2 weeks ago. 

Yes, rather crazily I could have bought CO23 (as a new product) from a local camera store cheaper than my user upgrade from CO20 to 23.

That's really my point. Some of us have supported Capture One for 20+ years, but we can be treated worse than a new customer.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Chris W

[wda]

Have you looked at Exposure?

[fotomas]

vor 21 Stunden schrieb M11 for me:

For me advanced functions are worth millions. I am prepared to pay for what I call progress.

Let's hope that this might not inspire Adobe for the future pricing. 😉

[Olaf_ZG]

I am/was a long time (15+ years) c1 user. Never had ps/lr as prices where insane in Croatia.

This year I switched OS and as EU law made it possible for me to but ps/lr for a normal price (12€/m) I took it as though c1 is great, sometimes ps has advantages.

So now I have lr as well and I decided to try it for one year (c1 is still paid for). Though I need to learn a lot still, and am still not happy with color to b/w conversion I am impressed with LR:

masking is quick, which i use quite a lot, not being able to use luminance in curve is disappointing but it might come…

one thing of advice though: in case you switch from c1, you might want to ensure all images are exported as high res jpg: in case c1 disables your usage, at least you have a digital print.

[wlaidlaw]

2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

I am/was a long time (15+ years) c1 user. Never had ps/lr as prices where insane in Croatia.

This year I switched OS and as EU law made it possible for me to but ps/lr for a normal price (12€/m) I took it as though c1 is great, sometimes ps has advantages.

So now I have lr as well and I decided to try it for one year (c1 is still paid for). Though I need to learn a lot still, and am still not happy with color to b/w conversion I am impressed with LR:

masking is quick, which i use quite a lot, not being able to use luminance in curve is disappointing but it might come…

one thing of advice though: in case you switch from c1, you might want to ensure all images are exported as high res jpg: in case c1 disables your usage, at least you have a digital print.

Thanks Olaf. I do keep all the original DNG's (I have drives full of them plus duplicates). I wake the drives up every so often to make sure they have not died in their sleep. So if the worst comes to the worst and C1 stops working, I can always revert to the originals. I store my converted JPEG's in Apple Photos, which I don't like as much as its predecessor iPhoto but it does make for a good searchable library. I have learnt from bitten experience double back up everything daily. 

Wilson

[Jeff S]

I consider the Adobe Photo Plan package an absolute bargain at around 10 bucks a month. Includes all updates to LR and Photoshop, although LR has gotten so effective and efficient that PS is rarely required for me.  And I like that cloud storage is not mandated.

As others have noted, LR has advanced dramatically since early years.  I have reprinted files from many years ago, using the latest software, and improvements are evident, both in results and workflow.

But software is a personal matter. Some bond with certain interfaces; some don’t.  I do think, though, that one tends to get comfortable based on extended use with a given approach.  For LR, there are many good online free tutorials, as well as some good books. Long ago, I found the Intro chapter to Scott Kelby’s primer (just avoid his bad jokes) immensely helpful for getting the basic organizational structure down and avoiding mistakes early on that could needlessly complicate use down the road.  To this day, I still stick to one master catalog. Julieanne Kost’s free videos were also quite useful. 
 

Jeff

[SrMi]

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On 5/3/2023 at 11:54 AM, Olaf_ZG said:

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one thing of advice though: in case you switch from c1, you might want to ensure all images are exported as high res jpg: in case c1 disables your usage, at least you have a digital print.

With Lightroom, you can still access and export your images with editing changes after canceling the subscription. Is that not the case with C1?

[Olaf_ZG]

23 minutes ago, SrMi said:

With Lightroom, you can still access and export your images with editing changes after canceling the subscription. Is that not the case with C1?

Not sure, but I wouldn’t take a chance. 
Note: I am on subscription.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Not sure, but I wouldn’t take a chance. 
Note: I am on subscription.

Just found this on Capture One's support site: After a deactivation date, you lose access to the software itself. You can get back to your workflow only if you obtain a new license (perpetual, subscription or a free trial).

 

[wlaidlaw]

I bought my copy of C1-21 outright, before the subscription model. I don't think it will deactivate but as I have a Q3 on order, I doubt if it will ever get a profile for that. I don't for example have a profile for the M11. 

Wilson

[roydonian]

On 5/2/2023 at 1:46 PM, zeitz said:

This is the state of most software in the second decade of the 21st century.  The software is really good and does not need gimmicks, I mean improvements.  This applies to operating systems, word processing and spreadsheets as well as image post processing.

I'm a professional writer and am still using Microsoft Word 2000. I have looked at the specification of most subsequent versions, and have not seen a single feature that I'd find useful. My operating system, email program, browser, and photo-editing packages are of different vintages, but my anti-virus program is always kept up to date.

[sometimesmaybe]

1 minute ago, roydonian said:

I'm a professional writer and am still using Microsoft Word 2000

i can only assume you kept word 2000 because of Clippy 😉

[wlaidlaw]

I only updated because of security issues on the older versions of MS Office, as Mac viruses/trojans were becoming more common. 

Wilson

[fotomas]

Am 7.5.2023 um 17:39 schrieb SrMi:

With Lightroom, you can still access and export your images with editing changes after canceling the subscription. Is that not the case with C1?

Have you tried this? Why then pay for it?
I was told you can't do anything with your files after ending the subscription. Or do you have a non subscription LR version?

My old C1 version I bought years ago still works fine (no subscription).

[SrMi]

7 hours ago, fotomas said:

Have you tried this? Why then pay for it?
I was told you can't do anything with your files after ending the subscription. Or do you have a non subscription LR version?

My old C1 version I bought years ago still works fine (no subscription).

When your CC subscription is canceled, you will lose access to Develop & Map module only.

Adobe describes it here https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/cancel-subscription.html. Excerpt for Lightroom:

You can continue to access all your photos on your local hard drive through Lightroom for the desktop. You can continue to import and organize photos and output your edited photos through Export, Publish, Print, Web, or Slideshow. Access to the Develop & Map modules and Lightroom for mobile is not available after your membership ends.

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by SrMi

[dpitt]

On 5/7/2023 at 5:39 PM, SrMi said:

With Lightroom, you can still access and export your images with editing changes after canceling the subscription. Is that not the case with C1?

This will not help you if your original LR version will not run anymore on your future OS. That is the real risk with leaving your RAWs in any RAW PP software that is not updated as years go by. After Aplle Aperture 10 years ago, it happened again to me when my LR 6.0 would not work from Mac OS 10.12 on. Importing to a new make of software that can import the catalog will not even help you. Every brand of PP has a different processing engine, so even exporting crops to other PP apps can be inaccurate, let alone modifications made to exposure, sharpening, clarity etc. Best way is to run your old software on some old machine and export every RAW to TIFF or high resolution JPG. That  is the only way to see your 'developed' RAWs as you saw them in the old software.

I have now switched to COP 23 perpetual, and exported all my RAWs from LR. I could have imported the old catalogs in the current LR of course but then I would still have the same issue when I wanted to go to COP.

Edited May 9, 2023 by dpitt

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, dpitt said:

This will not help you if your original LR version will not run anymore on your future OS.

I assume I should be able to update Adobe software without a subscription, but I have not seen any clarification on that topic.

[dpitt]

7 hours ago, SrMi said:

I assume I should be able to update Adobe software without a subscription, but I have not seen any clarification on that topic.

Updates stop at some point in time. Then as the OS evolves the software is 'orphaned'. LR 6.0 can not be installed anymore on the latest Mac OS since around 2018 (I would have to look it up). If you buy a new Mac, it can not run earlier systems so then you can not run that version of LR anymore, even with updates. So then the only path forward is to upgrade to a paying version (subscription) of LR or move to an other software like I did to COP. It is the move that gets you in trouble because of course you can open all your old RAW files in COP, and you can even try sort of an import, but any edited RAW will not be imported with all modifications intact, certainly if the slider does not even exist in COP, but also with 'simple' things like sharpening and contrast there is a different way in the approach of both packages so you end up doing all the adjusting again and the result will never be exactly the same as in LR.

I experienced the same when Apple stopped development on Aperture and I moved to LR. I still have an old Mac that is able to run Aperture, so I now also exported all these catalogs to a platform independent format like JPEG or TIFF for the day when the hardware dies.

Believe me. I am in software since 1988 and I can show you tons of software that I still have, but that I could only run on ancient hardware. Retrieving data, if you would need to, from that period is getting extremely hard as years go by. And it does not take more than 5 - 10 years to experience this 'software rot' as we call it. Photographs last for much longer than that...😒

Edited May 10, 2023 by dpitt

[hansvons]

On 5/3/2023 at 8:54 PM, Olaf_ZG said:

So now I have lr as well and I decided to try it for one year (c1 is still paid for).

How are you going along with LR? For my part, I stay with C1 as it's the fastest of all photo editors, especially if you want to take advanced of its layer ability. The premium I pay will be returned by many hours I don't have to spend jumping over to PS to fix stuff. And C1's colour handling and tools are more advanced, IMO.

This Leica forum is as elite as it possibly gets in photography land (not necessarily a bad thing!). Why do people complain about 100 euros annually (roughly the difference between C1 and LR)?

Edited May 10, 2023 by hansvons

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