j. borger Posted November 7, 2007 Share #21 Posted November 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sadly no difference in noise... Fortunately i would say ....... lovers of waxy files can always run their own noise reduction software in post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eoin Posted November 7, 2007 Share #22 Posted November 7, 2007 Finding the scrolling menu had disappeared,other than that not much else. The exif info shows they have left the colour matrix values alone also. Was this the touted major firmware update or is it just an interim fix?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 7, 2007 Share #23 Posted November 7, 2007 Fortunately i would say ....... lovers of waxy files can always run their own noise reduction software in post Hmmm. Though I rarely disagree about this, I just have to say that those of us with DMRs got an NR present in the last firmware; it's about a stop better than it was. And the files still aren't waxy So it may be possible to do something here without ruining the structure of the file (chroma noise at 2500 is especially bad). I don't have any issue whatsoever with noise at 640 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 7, 2007 Share #24 Posted November 7, 2007 In response to the complaint that 1.11, while it improves AWD and eliminates most noise at ISO1250, didn't improve autofocus -- you have misread the instructions. the upgrade should be downloaded to the lensesfor autofocus to work correctly. if it doesn't you need to send the lenses to solms... what a pain:mad: Both posters seem to have missed that the mirror slap vibration has been completely eliminated in this release! Seriously, the posting on both .de and .com sites lists the items worked on which Leica considers to be improvements, so if something big like AWB is not listed, they are still working on it. I do expect them to fix small bugs without comment. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 7, 2007 Share #25 Posted November 7, 2007 No more mad scrolling!!!! That's enough for me for the time being. It was driving me nuts. Just shot some ISO 640 last night and have no problem with existing noise levels. Maybe I'm too easily pleased. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/37497-firmware-1110-available-on-wwwleica-camerade/?do=findComment&comment=396133'>More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted November 7, 2007 Share #26 Posted November 7, 2007 It's hit the US web site too now. I got the email a couple of hours ago. Still no mirror lock up function either. And the horizons still slope... :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 7, 2007 Share #27 Posted November 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) And the horizons still slope... :D Yeah when is the electronic level going to be implemented in the viewfinder???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 7, 2007 Share #28 Posted November 7, 2007 Something that I've notice with this new firmware is that if you leave the lens cap on it no longer reads 32", it only read 1.6". The only reason for this is either I have a light leak around the cap of my 50 Lux (the only lens I've check this on) or they removed/change the longest shutter speed the meter can set the camera to in A mode. Could be in total darkness the camera now knows that whatever it is pointed at won't come out so why have it hang for 32 seconds and another 32 second to take the black NR image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alba63 Posted November 7, 2007 Share #29 Posted November 7, 2007 I updated in a flash, since today I'm going to have a M8 VS 5D day with my cousin , just for the fun of it.Sadly no difference in noise... I hope you compare other things than noise mainly. IF it is for noise, everyone knows the result already, but as long as you don't use the M8 above ISO640, it has a nice file, what would interest me is resolution, DR and color in respect to the 5d (which I have). I generally don't care too much for ISO noise, I rarely shoot above ISO400, even less above 800. regards, bernie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 7, 2007 Share #30 Posted November 7, 2007 I hope you compare other things than noise mainly. IF it is for noise, everyone knows the result already, but as long as you don't use the M8 above ISO640, it has a nice file, what would interest me is resolution, DR and color in respect to the 5d (which I have). I generally don't care too much for ISO noise, I rarely shoot above ISO400, even less above 800. regards, bernie I also use the 5D and IMHO, the M8 has noticeably better DR and color accuracy. The 5D does excel in the area of noise, but I so rarely have to shoot higher than ISO 640, it really isn't an issue for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Yoder Posted November 7, 2007 Share #31 Posted November 7, 2007 For the record, here's what Leica says the changes are: - 6 Bit lens codes for Summarit-M lenses 35, 50, 75 and 90 mm - Time shortened between pre-flash and main flash in M-TTL mode with flashes LEICA SF24 D and SCA compatible flashguns - Function of the central setting wheel on the camera back improved (unintentional scrolling of the menu now prevented) - Battery capacity display improved - Change in the French menu: «Marche +UV/IR» instead «Marche avec» So, notta about high-ISO noise or AWB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 7, 2007 Share #32 Posted November 7, 2007 Detects Summarits now. Not that this is important. Well it is very important to Leica. these new Summarit lenses are coming out soon and if they sell anything like all the other Leica lenses they need to work with the M8 at first go. To bad Leica hasn't figured out that others that already own a M8 and a ton of lenses would like to have the camera function better then it now does and or did when first released. Oh well I'll just keep using mine the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwfreund Posted November 7, 2007 Share #33 Posted November 7, 2007 Bad news... well sort of. If the firmware was to correct all of the wildly scrolling menus, it apparently does not work. I just had an instance of the iso submenu of the set menu go into wild scrolling mode. -bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alba63 Posted November 7, 2007 Share #34 Posted November 7, 2007 I also use the 5D and IMHO, the M8 has noticeably better DR and color accuracy. The 5D does excel in the area of noise, but I so rarely have to shoot higher than ISO 640, it really isn't an issue for me. Thanks fotografr, this is interesting to hear, because I still struggle with my decision. The truth is that while the 5d is a very good camera in a way I never really liked the look of it's files too much: While being sharp, they have little "charm" and I definately don't like it's highlights blowing out all the time in sunny weather outside. Higher ISO has become everybody's addiction these days, but while relatively noiseless the 5d files don't look beautiful at higher ISOs. Not plastikish, but the colors loose their shine or something, I don't know. DR: I find myself doing multiple conversions all the time and dealing with white- yellowish surfaces that still have traces of lost data in the lights, it is time consuming and boring. I have made a few dozens of shots with an M8 recently, it had a tendency to overexpose by up to 1 stop (don't know why), and yet I was capable to keep the lights intact while toning down by 1 full stop, and still getting a nice looking photo. Colors also are nice to print, I have printed M8 files up to 16x24 and even a crop of a 24x36 enlargement, and somehow it does not fall apart and still looks like a good photo. Very impressive.... Bernie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted November 7, 2007 Share #35 Posted November 7, 2007 I had two wild menu scroll and they were the very first and then one a moment ago on a really hastened menu scroll. I don't see any improvement in 640+ ISO either but I am pretty sure I am seeing an improvement in AWB. I am not seeing anymore "Wild-card" balanced shots amid ones that are consistent. Consistency is what I am seeing more of and it is pretty close most of the time now. I also tried pretty good to get the thing to lock up like it has been doing with a lot of frames in a row that are erratically shot. Most of the time, that would be a good bet in causing a battery-pull level lockup with a blinking red light.... It is the latter that I hoped got fixed. Either way, I leave to shoot a Newsweek piece today, I'll bring a 5D in case, but hope to put the M8 to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted November 7, 2007 Share #36 Posted November 7, 2007 The firmware header confirms there are now 3 versions of the CCD Board and the SAME firmware is loaded, irrespective of the hardware version. So all the agonising over whether cameras with a board change are "better" was likely for nothing. Isn't it possible the newer board(s) could be more durable/reliable, even if they don't differ in terms of the image output? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted November 7, 2007 Share #37 Posted November 7, 2007 Bad news...well sort of. If the firmware was to correct all of the wildly scrolling menus, it apparently does not work. I just had an instance of the iso submenu of the set menu go into wild scrolling mode. -bob I had two wild menu scroll and they were the very first and then one a moment ago on a really hastened menu scroll. Thanks once again to un-paid volunteer beta-testers. I'll put my time to use other than upgrading my M8 firmware for the present. I don't see any improvement in 640+ ISO either but I am pretty sure I am seeing an improvement in AWB. I am not seeing anymore "Wild-card" balanced shots amid ones that are consistent. Consistency is what I am seeing more of and it is pretty close most of the time now. I'd think it likely had there been a gram of improvement in AWB that Leica would've surely trumpeted it in their list of improvements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photolandscape Posted November 7, 2007 Share #38 Posted November 7, 2007 I'd think it likely had there been a gram of improvement in AWB that Leica would've surely trumpeted it in their list of improvements. I would think so too. I have two M8's, and both exhibit the "wild card" AWB phenomenon--and yes, when shooting DNG. I can take a locked tripod mounted shot, seconds apart, same settings, and one will be very blue, the next yellow. This apparently hasn't been addressed, and I think if it had, it would have made the list of improvements. When can I expect the release of the next firmware? I've never had a digital camera other than the M8 that exhibited this problem, so I'm wondering what the problem is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwfreund Posted November 7, 2007 Share #39 Posted November 7, 2007 Isn't it possible the newer board(s) could be more durable/reliable, even if they don't differ in terms of the image output? Or they might be cheaper to build or re-work... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 7, 2007 Share #40 Posted November 7, 2007 I don't see any improvement in 640+ ISO either but I am pretty sure I am seeing an improvement in AWB. I am not seeing anymore "Wild-card" balanced shots amid ones that are consistent. Consistency is what I am seeing more of and it is pretty close most of the time now. There may be an improvement, but no cure. I took six shots, three with the old and three with the new firmware, sitting in the same place, shooting in the same direction, with unchanging light conditions, and still got several different WB results with both firmwares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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