wlaidlaw Posted March 2, 2023 Share #21 Posted March 2, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Viv said: If you currently have a camera that meets your needs, wait (or simply keep that camera). There is nearly always a better solution that comes along, otherwise we would all still be using tailboard glass plate wooden cameras or box Brownies. Given my age and health, the Q3 may be the last Leica I buy. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spike415 Posted March 2, 2023 Share #22 Posted March 2, 2023 I would ask myself have I exceeded the capabilities of the Q, Q2 or Q*? The camera is just a tool that requires much input from the user, it will never see the composition before you do or decide on a shallow depth of field versus stacked focus. I wish my "eye" were on a par with the capabilities of really most cameras. On the other hand I always want the latest and greatest! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted March 2, 2023 Share #23 Posted March 2, 2023 "Given my age and health, the Q3 may be the last Leica I buy. " My wife has pointed out on several occasions that I have purchased what I claimed to be "my last" motorcycle, "my last" camera, and "my last" guitar several times ...and still counting. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBlunder Posted March 2, 2023 Share #24 Posted March 2, 2023 One doesn't *need* 47 mp. But as many have pointed out... the beauty of using a 28mm (24mm?) every day vs. a more narrow lens with all those MPs is that you can REALLY crop in and maintain a useable image. I'd argue that you NEVER use all 47mp for anything (a billboard maybe?) for a particular image that needs zero cropping. When you use it is when you want to re-frame in post. I recently used this shot of some sailboats near where I live for the rear cover of a (large) photo book I made. It was cropped in pretty good (see second photo) and was still "full" quality based on the printing I was doing. Could have continued to crop in a bit more honestly. Point is... all those MPs + a wide angle lens = flexibility to change your framing later on while maintaining high resolution. Do we *need* 60 (or more) MP? Depends on what you're doing! There's definitely been times where I wish I had more than 47, and there's plenty (significant majority) of times where 47 was overkill. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/369532-buy-q2-now-or-wait-q3/?do=findComment&comment=4708120'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 2, 2023 Share #25 Posted March 2, 2023 Doesn't really work for me - even with a zillion megapixels cropping severely will enhance noise, minor motion blur, reduce lens micro contrast AKA sharpness, enlarge lens aberrations, etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 2, 2023 Share #26 Posted March 2, 2023 I see the Q3 already has its own Facebook group with over 600 members. Seems a bit jumping the gun to me. Wilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrell Gallery Posted March 3, 2023 Share #27 Posted March 3, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: I see the Q3 already has its own Facebook group with over 600 members. Seems a bit jumping the gun to me. Wilson Hopefully they enjoy the virtual photos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBlunder Posted March 3, 2023 Share #28 Posted March 3, 2023 4 hours ago, jaapv said: Doesn't really work for me - even with a zillion megapixels cropping severely will enhance noise, minor motion blur, reduce lens micro contrast AKA sharpness, enlarge lens aberrations, etc. Fair enough. For me, I love the flexibility of the high resolution and don't mind imperfections in my images (even when cropped). Beats (by far) the alternative of having to carry around a big zoom lens. I used to carry around a Sony (for years), a lot of time with the a 24-70. Lots of flexibility (obviously) within that focal range, especially with a camera as quick as a Sony A7iv (my last one). But SO many times I'd leave that camera at home whereas now, I'll bring my q2 (except that it's currently being repaired 😪). A shot taken that you love despite imperfections is infinitely better than a shot you DIDN'T get that would have been perfect. I used the example of the sailboats because this was not an instance where I could've just gotten closer. It was either THIS shot (too far away or cropped with imperfections) or... no shot. Also an example of a shot that needed a LOT of cropping, whereas most of my cropping is much more minimal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted March 3, 2023 Share #29 Posted March 3, 2023 Perhaps they make a Q3 with a 35 or 40 mm lens. I hope for it. I don´t like 28 mm. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted March 3, 2023 Share #30 Posted March 3, 2023 vor 10 Stunden schrieb SirBlunder: One doesn't *need* 47 mp. But as many have pointed out... the beauty of using a 28mm (24mm?) every day vs. a more narrow lens with all those MPs is that you can REALLY crop in and maintain a useable image. I'd argue that you NEVER use all 47mp for anything (a billboard maybe?) for a particular image that needs zero cropping. When you use it is when you want to re-frame in post. I recently used this shot of some sailboats near where I live for the rear cover of a (large) photo book I made. It was cropped in pretty good (see second photo) and was still "full" quality based on the printing I was doing. Could have continued to crop in a bit more honestly. Point is... all those MPs + a wide angle lens = flexibility to change your framing later on while maintaining high resolution. Do we *need* 60 (or more) MP? Depends on what you're doing! There's definitely been times where I wish I had more than 47, and there's plenty (significant majority) of times where 47 was overkill. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That is indeed the great advantage of 28mm. And regarding the picture that you show above you have no problem with noise. Not to a relevant extent anyway. And not to an extent that you could not manage in Lightroom. And do not worry: the big majority of pictures that you see are croped. That is a fact. And the more Megapixel you have the easier it is to get good result after croping. It might be different if from the beginning you plan to make a very big print out of it. In that case you might better take a Hasselblad 😆 More resolution, more detail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warth man Posted March 3, 2023 Share #31 Posted March 3, 2023 How capable is your computer? RAW files from my Q2M are over 80Mb, jpg large over 40Mb. What will the file sizes be from a rumoured 60+Mb Q3? Otherwise, if you haven't already spent time looking through Q/Q2/Q2M images here and elsewhere, I would recommend doing so. It helped me to decide that I would really like one. If, from what you see, you believe you would like even more megapixels, then you have your answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 3, 2023 Share #32 Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, warth man said: How capable is your computer? RAW files from my Q2M are over 80Mb, jpg large over 40Mb. What will the file sizes be from a rumoured 60+Mb Q3? Otherwise, if you haven't already spent time looking through Q/Q2/Q2M images here and elsewhere, I would recommend doing so. It helped me to decide that I would really like one. If, from what you see, you believe you would like even more megapixels, then you have your answer. Those size files really gobble up the TBW (Total or Tera Bytes Written) of SSD storage. There is an argument when dealing with a lot of large Megabyte files for using external rotating storage, rather like server farms and data centres do. On the main computer I use for image processing (an M1 Mac Mini), I have a 4TB external HDD, where I store most of my RAW files. The TBW of rotating storage is substantially higher than the equivalent SSD and of course considerably cheaper. If it is external storage, physical size is less important than for internal storage on a laptop. I tried using NAS storage but the read/write speed via wifi was too slow so my 4TB storage is Thunderbolt 3, which is quite quick enough. The external HDD backs up during the night to the 8TB NAS drive via wifi. Wilson Edited March 3, 2023 by wlaidlaw 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel C.1975 Posted March 3, 2023 Share #33 Posted March 3, 2023 vor 11 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: I see the Q3 already has its own Facebook group with over 600 members. Seems a bit jumping the gun to me. Wilson Facebook is for old farts ... or so my daughter told me To the topic. Even if the Q3 will be announced throughout the next months, I would not expect to get my hands on one before end of the year, if not early next year. I have the SL2s, and had the Q very early and it was my most mist camera after I sold it. So I bought a Q2 (was not brave enough for a Q2m) early January this year, well knowing that most probably a Q3 will be announced this year. Who cares? I enjoy my Q2 now and need not to linger for any announcement in the hope that I finally can invest into the camera concept I would appreciate to have now - and it is the concept behind the Q-series, not the last bit of technical perfection. To the Q3 are there points which would make me upgrade? Viewfinder like SL2s or better --> no reason to upgrade. Yes the SL2s viewfinder is sublime and objectively better. But even when changing back and fourth it is no big change in fun, satisfaction and usability. The Q2 viewfinder is already really good (e.g. the difference to the Fuji X100V viewfinder, which seems to have the same specs, is mindblowing huge) higher Resolution --> not really. More might help for cropping, but 47mp is already really plenty and you still need to process and store these files higher resolution or more cleverly used resolution: --> This might be something worth thinking about. I like the idea of pixel binning; having the crop reserve when needed but otherwise binning the resolution down to e.g. 24mp with a better noise to signal ratio. .... but, I would like to see a clever binning approach: E.g. setting it in standard to 24mp, but as soon as I use the 35-75mm mode, the camera changes to non binning mode to have the resolution. That would be really nice and should only be a SW-trick High-Iso noise: Having the SL2s I have a high iso monster on hand. The Q2 does have the disadvantage here, especially when lifting shadows heavily. Even if you compare them like for like on resolution the SL2s does have the advantage. However, up to Iso3200, when not lifting shadows too much, they are in print-size very much alike and I very seldom need higher Isos on my Q2. Surly a better Noise behavior is always welcome, but currently no immanent reason for me to change Better Face detection: Again no reason to change, but face detection on the Q2 is not great, just good enough. The SL2s is much better, not talking about the likes of Sony or Nikon. However, this is just convenience. AF-Speed: More than fast enough for my applications 35mm lens instead of 28mm: I would have said yes half a year ago, meanwhile I really like the 28mm and cropped to 35 when needed is not much of a lost. So in total the 28mm are more versatile and I meanwhile prefer it for the Q2 or this kind of camera New lens: I see no reason here. F1.4 at the same size would be nice, but this will not happen So you see, even if I think hard, there a no strong reasons why I would change at the moment or why I would not be happy with the Q2 after the release of a Q3. There are not even many points I can critique heavily - it is a very capable package, already. And so is the Leica Q still, btw, which is kind of crazy 8 years after release. Will I be tempted and someday upgrade? Absolutely possible. Would I like to wait and have no Q2 now? Absolutely no fu***ng way If you want one and if you like it and you can spend the money - then go and get it! Cheers Daniel 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_cummer Posted March 3, 2023 Share #34 Posted March 3, 2023 I had a Q2 but didn't care for its noisier hi ISO performance. So I sold it and bought a monochrome instead which is magnificent in every way. I went back and processed some of the older Q2 photos with Topaz Ai. I was so pleased with the results that I have reordered the Q2. I am going to go travelling with just the Q2 monochrome and the Q2 and am leaving my extensive M10 kit at home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted March 3, 2023 Share #35 Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 5:14 PM, tedd said: Wait for the Q11. The M11 is so much more advanced than the M2 and I think we will see similar advancements here. Or, realise that you could die tomorrow and have never had the camera of your dreams. Such a great response!! I think it is attributed to Budda…”The problem is, we think we have time.” Get that Q2 and enjoy!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted March 3, 2023 Share #36 Posted March 3, 2023 Get the Q2, so there will be one person less on the Q3 waitlist Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 3, 2023 Share #37 Posted March 3, 2023 Ffordes have just started a Q3 list and yours truly is at the top. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw3 Posted March 4, 2023 Share #38 Posted March 4, 2023 Get a Q2 and stay away from camera forums until you’re ready for another camera purchase. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted March 5, 2023 Share #39 Posted March 5, 2023 Lots of good advice here. Confused? Unsurprising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedd Posted March 6, 2023 Share #40 Posted March 6, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 3:46 AM, reynoldsyoung said: Such a great response!! I think it is attributed to Budda…”The problem is, we think we have time.” Get that Q2 and enjoy!! A friend of mine died suddenly and unexpectedly of heart failure at 34 two years ago next week. He'd bought a v4 50mm Summicron but was adapting it to his mirrorless Canon as he was waiting for the right deal on an M. It's only stuff and I try not to be too frivolous, but we have to enjoy life while we can! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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