dubois pierre Posted February 4, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 4, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 🤔https://www.ebay.com/itm/295273424595 This Japanese seller seems to be very misinformed about the history of Leicas Luxus. "This is one of the 95 Laxus manufactured in 1930 and is very rare. It is said that there are only about 30 of them in the world". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jerzy Posted February 4, 2023 Share #2 Posted February 4, 2023 well, I believe he is aware that this is fake Luxus, otherwise he would be asking more. Not only that serial is not listed as Luxus as well some other details are showing that this is not genuine Luxus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 4, 2023 Share #3 Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) An indecent fake 😁... but the body may be an original one... Edited February 4, 2023 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2023 Share #4 Posted February 4, 2023 Reported to eBay. Others should do so as well. The whole story about provenance is a blatant lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2023 Share #5 Posted February 4, 2023 He is a camera store selling vintage Leicas. If he thought this was genuine it would be offered at a specialized auction house, not on eBay. He also claims to have sold a Leica Luftbaffe (sic!) from the same source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 4, 2023 Share #6 Posted February 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, jaapv said: Reported to eBay. Others should do so as well. The whole story about provenance is a blatant lie. though the part about the american solider bringing back leicas from germany is probably true, ive met several owners of shops in tokyo who said the same thing, leicas, zeiss lenses, watches etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 4, 2023 Share #7 Posted February 4, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) He's selling a Leica 'Laxus' which I imagine is a devious way of saying 'well I never claimed it was a Luxus'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 4, 2023 Share #8 Posted February 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, frame-it said: though the part about the american solider bringing back leicas from germany is probably true, ive met several owners of shops in tokyo who said the same thing, leicas, zeiss lenses, watches etc Can you imagine a shop owner leaving an item worth well over 500.000 $ lying around for decades? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 4, 2023 Share #9 Posted February 4, 2023 32 minutes ago, 250swb said: He's selling a Leica 'Laxus' which I imagine is a devious way of saying 'well I never claimed it was a Luxus'. Smart escape from accuse of fraud... 😁... and you can be spot on, given the "Lutbaffe" noticed by Jaap... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 4, 2023 Share #10 Posted February 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, frame-it said: though the part about the american solider bringing back leicas from germany is probably true, ive met several owners of shops in tokyo who said the same thing, leicas, zeiss lenses, watches etc A friend's father who fought in Germany brought back a Leica which he had 'traded' for essentials. He knew it was a good camera but wasn't able to use it properly and it was sold privately and vanished into the mass of cameras lacking provenance. Unlike the sniping rifle and Zeiss scope also brought back which was finally handed in to the police. Another friend also brought back a Zeiss scope and this too was handed in to the police on his rifle when he gave up shooting. These two stories are from my personal experience so I would think that a lot of cameras, lenses and other relatively small but high value items came back or travelled with soldiers after WWII. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 4, 2023 Share #11 Posted February 4, 2023 1 minute ago, pgk said: A friend's father who fought in Germany brought back a Leica which he had 'traded' for essentials. He knew it was a good camera but wasn't able to use it properly and it was sold privately and vanished into the mass of cameras lacking provenance. Unlike the sniping rifle and Zeiss scope also brought back which was finally handed in to the police. Another friend also brought back a Zeiss scope and this too was handed in to the police on his rifle when he gave up shooting. These two stories are from my personal experience so I would think that a lot of cameras, lenses and other relatively small but high value items came back or travelled with soldiers after WWII. and thats also how nikkor made sonnar copies 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted February 4, 2023 Share #12 Posted February 4, 2023 50 minutes ago, jaapv said: Luftbaffe (sic!) from the same source. That's a Romanization issue. Japanese language doesn't have the "v" sound, and the closest is "b". The phoneme /v/ in various languages is transcribed either to b or v, although it is unknown whether there is such an equivalent phoneme /v/ in Japanese. For example, ベネチア Benechia / ヴェネツィア Ve-ne-tsi-a "Venezia" (Italian for "Venice"), オーバー o-o-ba-a "over", ラブ ra-bu / ラヴ ravu "love". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_into_Japanese 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubois pierre Posted February 4, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted February 4, 2023 I wanted to contact him but being in Ethiopia I cannot connect to my ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubois pierre Posted February 4, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted February 4, 2023 The day we will find a leica Luxus in this state the chickens will have teeth😄🤣. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted February 4, 2023 Share #15 Posted February 4, 2023 4 hours ago, frame-it said: and thats also how nikkor made sonnar copies You are forgetting about the international seizure of technical information at the end of the war. Patton's 3rd Army beat the Soviets to Jena in April. By June at the beginning of the occupation all parties of the Allies were exploiting German technology. The US took the Zeiss lens collection in June of 1945. Material from the Carl Zeiss Jena library is still to be found in the US Library of Congress. The Soviets had all the tooling of the Contax recreated and moved it to Kiev along with German citizens to help at the Soviet plant. All German patents were nullified so Nikon and Canon took advantage of German technology (Zeiss and Leitz) to grow their camera and lens industries in a perfectly legal way. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 5, 2023 Share #16 Posted February 5, 2023 8 hours ago, zeitz said: You are forgetting about the international seizure of technical information at the end of the war. Patton's 3rd Army beat the Soviets to Jena in April. By June at the beginning of the occupation all parties of the Allies were exploiting German technology. The US took the Zeiss lens collection in June of 1945. Material from the Carl Zeiss Jena library is still to be found in the US Library of Congress. The Soviets had all the tooling of the Contax recreated and moved it to Kiev along with German citizens to help at the Soviet plant. All German patents were nullified so Nikon and Canon took advantage of German technology (Zeiss and Leitz) to grow their camera and lens industries in a perfectly legal way. nope i didn't forget, but was being a bit gentle in my reply, as the Americans stole a lot from Germany, and took it back home and also to japan, the soviets took a lot of stuff from zeiss back home too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 5, 2023 Share #17 Posted February 5, 2023 21 hours ago, zeitz said: You are forgetting about the international seizure of technical information at the end of the war. T Force - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Force 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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