charlesphoto99 Posted January 30, 2023 Share #21 Posted January 30, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 hours ago, SrMi said: I believe only film cameras have instant startup time. Tell that to the digital Nikons I've also used for the past fifteen or so years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted January 30, 2023 Share #22 Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: Tell that to the digital Nikons I've also used for the past fifteen or so years. I was thinking of M cameras, where digital Ms start up at about 1.5-2 sec, while film Ms start up instantly. Is that correct? Power up times, according to Imaging Resources: Nikon Z7: 1.5 sec Nikon D850: 0.2 sec The mirrorless cameras start up similarly slow as M11. Edited January 30, 2023 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 30, 2023 Share #23 Posted January 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, SrMi said: I was thinking of M cameras, where digital Ms start up at about 1.5-2 sec, while film Ms start up instantly. Is that correct? Power up times, according to Imaging Resources: Nikon Z7: 1.5 sec Nikon D850: 0.2 sec The mirrorless cameras start up similarly slow as M11. I didn't realize the startup times of the Z cameras was so slow (haven't used one and no interest in it). So I guess that ship has sailed... merely cosmetics for the P it is then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 30, 2023 Share #24 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said: I didn't realize the startup times of the Z cameras was so slow (haven't used one and no interest in it). So I guess that ship has sailed... merely cosmetics for the P it is then. The good thing is that all cameras wake up from sleep very quickly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted January 30, 2023 Share #25 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said: merely cosmetics for the P it is then. No - there will be some minor hardware/software improvements to go along with the P designation. Gone are the days when you only got a sapphire crystal screen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 30, 2023 Share #26 Posted January 30, 2023 I'd speculate that the 11P can be the case where internals get a real fix while externals get the usual window dressing. That happened to X1D and X1Dii, where electronics was overhauled while the sensor and other IQ specs remained the same. This would be the real P to beat all Ps, as its improvements are actually needed to fix problems, not just keep sales up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2023 Share #27 Posted January 31, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) As far as I know these "issues" like freezing are a) somehow related to what SD card is used - and b) obviously faulty mainboards wich are changed by Wetztlar currently if a) isn't the reason. This mainboard thing, if so, will be addressed and fluently implemented in ongoing production. No company with a worthy reputation would continue delivering items with known potential failures to their dealers/customers. I guess Leica won't do this either. So, my guess - this will not be related to any P or whatever diversification, because this is for relaunching the item over the lifespan - not for addressing technical issues. Everything will be fine soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted January 31, 2023 Share #28 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/30/2023 at 3:40 AM, geotrupede said: M11 is very good camera, I read this forum and every day think how desperate it sounds, when in reality it is a good piece of equipment. Knocking on wood... but apart a couple of bugs all cool here. 😉 G . Same here. I have no issues. The first day or two I got a couple but after I got to know how to use it and did the upgrade i have nothing. No noise, no freezing, all ok. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 31, 2023 Share #29 Posted January 31, 2023 Sorry, folks. I’ve just had to clear up the mess around here. I apologise if your posts have been caught up in the spring clean that was necessary after a serial time-waster, previously banned multiple times, has posted again today. Thanks for those of you who have brought this to our attention. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 31, 2023 Share #30 Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) That's three minutes of my life that I'll never get back. 😨 Edited January 31, 2023 by Herr Barnack 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 31, 2023 Share #31 Posted January 31, 2023 Sorry. We get to this guy as quickly as we can. He’s also posted under a different name at the weekend. Those posts have all been deleted too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 31, 2023 Share #32 Posted January 31, 2023 Nothing to apologize for, Andy. I was typing in jest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 31, 2023 Share #33 Posted January 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, andybarton said: Sorry. We get to this guy as quickly as we can. He’s also posted under a different name at the weekend. Those posts have all been deleted too. Could we start a GoFundMe to get rid to deter this person? I would contribute to one that funded a private investigator to figure out who this person is and paying a lawyer to send an international cease and desist letter. (Only half kidding) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemetric Posted February 1, 2023 Share #34 Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) The issues that I had with my M10-P have stopped me buying the new 11. So, IMO, the quality is as good (or as bad) than the “normal” models. After sending my M10-P twice for repairing in 13 months I will wait a couple of years before switching to another digital M. For my professional work (I am photographer) I used Nikon a lot of years and, since 6 years ago, Sony. No problem at all never with that brands. I really love my M10-P and, believe me, I am pretty careful with my equipment. In fact, I cut tiny pieces of transparent film to cover some areas of the M10-P and avoid scratching them. So this will give you an idea about how I am. Besides, I don’t use my M for work. Is my “personal” camera. The user experience is fantastic and is another photography philosophy (which I love it too) but I really think they are not better than they japanise counterpartners. Is more about “the object” than about its reliability, again my opinion. Of course, my opinion is based on my experience and I understand if others think that are very reliable because they haven’t had any problem with their units but… this has been my experience. Said that, I am in love with the M camera and I will give it another chance to demostrate me that my vision is wrong. But no, having a P version does not mean that is “error free”. Edited February 1, 2023 by Telemetric 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanydave Posted February 1, 2023 Share #35 Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) I do not like to tempt fate but I've had no issues whatsoever with my M11. Used it extensively since purchase (May 2022) found it to be totally reliable. Edited February 1, 2023 by zanydave 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 2, 2023 Share #36 Posted February 2, 2023 I went to a gallery opening from a street photography show, everyone was exited. you would thing you get all this amazing street photographers putting up for display their work, hey is NYC. I saw many Leica film cnappers. the show was shit! the only pix I found interesting was of a Korean Jung woman, and I think she took the photo with the iPhone. How needs a new camera? If only the M11P would make better photographers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 2, 2023 Share #37 Posted February 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Photoworks said: I went to a gallery opening from a street photography show, everyone was exited. you would thing you get all this amazing street photographers putting up for display their work, hey is NYC. I saw many Leica film cnappers. the show was shit! the only pix I found interesting was of a Korean Jung woman, and I think she took the photo with the iPhone. How needs a new camera? If only the M11P would make better photographers! Please: Step away from the Jäger! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted February 3, 2023 Share #38 Posted February 3, 2023 Let's hope the P will have different, new and exciting problems! 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted February 3, 2023 Share #39 Posted February 3, 2023 Just noticed the "so called" in the title... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted February 7, 2023 Share #40 Posted February 7, 2023 On 1/29/2023 at 4:41 PM, SrMi said: I believe only film cameras have instant startup time. True, but they have this incredible buffering time (or whatever) every 36 to 38 exposures. Very disconcerting, and has certainly cost me lots of good shots over the decades. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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