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9 minutes ago, Edax said:

Until the new firmware is released, let’s hope they finish testing still this year, we can hold a contest "let the M11 freeze in the smallest number of pictures taken". I’ll start with a recipe which needs only two pictures:

  1. set storage options to “DNG +JPG only on SD”
  2. take 2 SD cards A & B, preferably the same size. Back them up, if needed, before this test
  3. insert card A, format it in camera, take 1 picture and remove card A from camera
  4. insert card B, format it in camera, and immediately remove card B from camera
  5. insert card A again, and take 1 picture
  6. switch the camera off and observe the red LED next to the cursor pad on the back. Freeze…

I confirm! Tested on two of my M11s. A very important find and an easily reproducible bug! I hope it helps the developers

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Just now, Smogg said:

I confirm! Tested on two of my M11s. A very important find and an easily reproducible bug! I hope it helps the developers

I already tried to inform the mothership. It seems however that it is far away from earth now, close to a black hole.

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And I'm also interested to know: will SL3 freeze too? Who can try?

No, because the freeze is caused by the "card exchange with unpowered M11 not handled properly in firmware" issue. The SL3 has a separate card door, no need to remove the battery for card exchange over there.

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1 minute ago, Edax said:

No, because the freeze is caused by the "card exchange with unpowered M11 not handled properly in firmware" issue. The SL3 has a separate card door, no need to remove the battery for card exchange over there.

What about q3?

If thanks to you Leica finds a bug that it has been looking for for 2.5 years, then you deserve a monument!🙏

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3 minutes ago, Edax said:

Well, you are allowed to do this, but afterwards have to follow the recipe!

Been a beta tester in the past but not on the M11 anymore. My aim is the diametral opposite, i.e.doing my best to avoid glitches, but i'm glad people like you try to push the camera into fault if it can help Leica😎

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Been a beta tester in the past but not on the M11 anymore. My aim is the diametral opposite, i.e.doing my best to avoid glitches, but i'm glad people like you try to push the camera into fault if it can help Leica😎

I fully understand that @lct, no hard feelings at all

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Just now, Smogg said:

Thus, if you do not touch the battery and use only USB transfer, then there is a good chance to avoid freezes.

Well, not caused by this "card exchange with unpowered M11 not handled properly in firmware" issue. There might be (and will be) other causes for issues as well...

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2 hours ago, Edax said:

Until the new firmware is released, let’s hope they finish testing still this year, we can hold a contest "let the M11 freeze in the smallest number of pictures taken". I’ll start with a recipe which needs only two pictures taken:

  1. set storage options to “DNG +JPG only on SD”
  2. take 2 SD cards A & B, preferably the same size. Back them up, if needed, before this test
  3. insert card A, format it in camera, take 1 picture and remove card A from camera
  4. insert card B, format it in camera, and immediately remove card B from camera
  5. insert card A again, and take 1 picture
  6. switch the camera off and observe the red LED next to the cursor pad on the back. Freeze…

 

Afterwards, format card A, before using it again

OK.  I'm curious.  I have two cards of the same size and time to spare.  Let's see.

1. Storage mode changed
2. Don't need to back anything up
3. A formatted in camera. Image taken.  Card removed from camera (after powering camera off)
4. B formatted in camera.  B removed (after powering camera off)
5. Card A inserted.  Picture taken.
6. camera switched off.  As you said: freeze.

This is the only freeze I've seen in my camera since purchase.  Of minor interest is that after popping the battery to clear the freeze the card reports no valid images.  Now I'll use SD Formatter to do an overwrite format on both cards and hopefully won't see a freeze again as the above machinations are nothing close to how I use the camera.

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25 minutes ago, marchyman said:

I'll use SD Formatter to do an overwrite format on both cards and hopefully won't see a freeze again as the above machinations are nothing close to how I use the camera.

You won't see any if your camera works like mine but i did only quick format in SD Card Formatter as i usually do.

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5 hours ago, Edax said:

Until the new firmware is released, let’s hope they finish testing still this year, we can hold a contest "let the M11 freeze in the smallest number of pictures taken". I’ll start with a recipe which needs only two pictures taken:

  1. set storage options to “DNG +JPG only on SD”
  2. take 2 SD cards A & B, preferably the same size. Back them up, if needed, before this test
  3. insert card A, format it in camera, take 1 picture and remove card A from camera
  4. insert card B, format it in camera, and immediately remove card B from camera
  5. insert card A again, and take 1 picture
  6. switch the camera off and observe the red LED next to the cursor pad on the back. Freeze…

 

Afterwards, format card A, before using it again

Stellar debugging and finding the repro  @Edax

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16 hours ago, Edax said:

Until the new firmware is released, let’s hope they finish testing still this year, we can hold a contest "let the M11 freeze in the smallest number of pictures taken". I’ll start with a recipe which needs only two pictures taken:

  1. set storage options to “DNG +JPG only on SD”
  2. take 2 SD cards A & B, preferably the same size. Back them up, if needed, before this test
  3. insert card A, format it in camera, take 1 picture and remove card A from camera
  4. insert card B, format it in camera, and immediately remove card B from camera
  5. insert card A again, and take 1 picture
  6. switch the camera off and observe the red LED next to the cursor pad on the back. Freeze…

 

Afterwards, format card A, before using it again

Excellent find!

Reproduced it on my M11. 

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