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I ran another roll of film through my just returned M6.  Pulled it out, examined it. FIXED. They also fixed the ISO dial.  It now points to actual marked film speeds. I am just grateful

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43 minutes ago, 69xchange said:

I would not be happy with that. That’s why I’m scared of sending my defective brand new camera for service when I can get an exchange instead. But not everyone cares about scratches.

Take a lot of photographs of the camera from every angle before sending it in so that if it's returned with any damage you can prove it wasn't caused by you.  I've had a local dealer send watches to the manufacturers for service and that's exactly what they did before packing the watches for shipment.

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1 hour ago, logan2z said:

Take a lot of photographs of the camera from every angle before sending it in so that if it's returned with any damage you can prove it wasn't caused by you.  I've had a local dealer send watches to the manufacturers for service and that's exactly what they did before packing the watches for shipment.

That is what I did w/ my M4-P 

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Had a Leica MP sent to Leica Australia in mid August due to a shutter curtain failure. They could not repair without ordering in 3 spare parts.

I have just been informed by the spare parts department in Germany that there is an issue with supply of the blinds needed for my camera repair, and they don't expect them until JANUARY. So there will be a delay on the repair of my camera. That seems a little nuts, right? How does it take so long to receive a spare part or have it made? This is not including the service time which I imagine will be very quick in Australia once they have the part. 

Anyway really annoyed. They don't have any film cameras in their loan pool but Leica AU has looked after me great in the past and has offered to loan me an M11 for any time while my camera is away. 

End rant.

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4 hours ago, 69xchange said:

I would not be happy with that. That’s why I’m scared of sending my defective brand new camera for service when I can get an exchange instead. But not everyone cares about scratches.


The one under the label going horizontal is the newer scratch. I treated the camera like an egg and still got scratches on it as you can see, it’s going to happen eventually. I was upset for a day but I’ve moved on. They’re actually not that noticeable unless you’re really looking for it, which I was because I wanted to see every bit of my camera when I got it back.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/rw6Q8zP/IMG-5623.jpg[/img][img]https://i.ibb.co/bXhyq8P/IMG-5625.jpg[/img]

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Edit: Sorry I don’t know how to post photos on here.

 

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On 9/26/2023 at 10:25 AM, Esleepy said:


The one under the label going horizontal is the newer scratch. I treated the camera like an egg and still got scratches on it as you can see, it’s going to happen eventually. I was upset for a day but I’ve moved on. They’re actually not that noticeable unless you’re really looking for it, which I was because I wanted to see every bit of my camera when I got it back.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/rw6Q8zP/IMG-5623.jpg[/img][img]https://i.ibb.co/bXhyq8P/IMG-5625.jpg[/img]

Edit: Sorry I don’t know how to post photos on here.

oh well, the blackpaint is prone to scratches anyhow, as long as ur negs are oke now i suppose? yeah the only way to get away from being upset is move on.. hope you will enjoy for decades to come 

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5 hours ago, Borna said:

Hi, do we know what the status is here? I am in the market of a new MP soon, no fun to buy one and same moment send it away for a fix. 

Fair question.  While the issue has been identified and a solution found, I doubt (on past experience) Leica has recalled all affected cameras; even ones sitting on the shelves in dealers’ shops.  They will know the serial numbers of affected cameras, and will be able to trace them …

I’m not entirely sure what I would do.  Perhaps ask the shop to find out from Leica (and get confirmation) that the camera does not have the defective pressure plate?  Alternatively, tell the shop you will only buy if they run a film through the camera for you to inspect.

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21 hours ago, Borna said:

Hi, do we know what the status is here? I am in the market of a new MP soon, no fun to buy one and same moment send it away for a fix. 

Can't you just buy a new MP and return it for a refund if found to have a "scratching" pressure plate? In being fully refunded, you will be no worse off than you were prior to buying it.

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22 minutes ago, wattsy said:

Can't you just buy a new MP and return it for a refund if found to have a "scratching" pressure plate? In being fully refunded, you will be no worse off than you were prior to buying it.

Funny thing is that I asked this question to my local dealer. They said "We are not aware of any scratching issue" and "It is not possible since it is already opened, you have to send any issues to Wetzlar.". 

Quite annoying. However, I might wait one year as the BP and Silver MP they have in stock is made 2023/02 and 2023/04

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Hi all!

Recently purchased a new Leica MP dated 29/06/2023. At the time of purchase, I was aware that Leica had experienced some issues with the pressure plate in M6, MP, and M-A models.

I have been using my new MP for three months now, shooting 30 rolls of film. I also conducted a test by running a film halfway through to check for scratches. When scanning my film, I didn't observe any scratches or signs of them, so I felt reassured about the previously mentioned issue concerning MP bodies.

However, yesterday I used FOMAPAN 400 film for the first time. While inspecting the drying film, I noticed very thin lines running across it. These lines are quite delicate and challenging to see even with the flashlight on my phone. I went back and inspected some rolls I shot before and noticed similar thin lines in some places.

Am I becoming overly concerned about the scratch issue? Could my camera be a scratcher?

Here's a video showing the thin lines:

 

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@cesc: If there is no impact on the image, I wouldn't worry about it. Looks like, you have some drying marks though. You might want to correct this.

They literally don't appear in the scanning process; I suppose they are extremely thin, so they don't touch the emulsion. Additionally, this is the roll that is significantly more visible compared to other brands. I have shot HP5, TRIX, BERGGER, ROLLEI, and this FOMAPAN 400 has shown all those lines.

I did not use Photo Flo on this one; I was just running a test on how far I could push Fomapan 400. However, I typically prepare all my chemicals with distilled water. The water in my hometown is highly calcareous.

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4 minutes ago, cesc said:

They literally don't appear in the scanning process; I suppose they are extremely thin, so they don't touch the emulsion. Additionally, this is the roll that is significantly more visible compared to other brands. I have shot HP5, TRIX, BERGGER, ROLLEI, and this FOMAPAN 400 has shown all those lines.

I did not use Photo Flo on this one; I was just running a test on how far I could push Fomapan 400. However, I typically prepare all my chemicals with distilled water. The water in my hometown is highly calcareous.

I would not worry about it if I was you (especially if their position seem random without pattern), but that's just me of course. The thin lines may come from the development or some particles on the opening of the film roll too... 

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Actually you are right, I've checked old negatives and they all have those small tiny lines at some moment, all the old negatives I've checked were from different cameras so that makes sense about, development , film canisters, etc. Thanks for your help

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