How many will get a M6

[BradS]

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15 hours ago, lmans said:

It would be interesting to know of the reason why MP and M-A are getting too difficult to make. What part, what material is the issue and, what is it about the M6 which makes it easier to make? Is it suppliers, manufacturers or? Has anyone heard as opposed to conjectured? 

 

In the interview with the Leica Marketing guy by "Three Blind Men and an Elephant", the Leica guy said that part of the difficulty with the MP and M-A had to do with parts that were outsourced. They've changed that with the new M6 by producing more parts in-house, in the Portugal factory.

This info is straight from Leica....no need to speculate.

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[lmans]

1 minute ago, BradS said:

In the interview with the Leica Marketing guy by "Three Blind Men and an Elephant", the Leica guy said that part of the difficulty with the MP and M-A had to do with parts that were outsourced. They've changed that with the new M6 by producing more parts in-house, in the Portugal factory.

This info is straight from Leica....no need to speculate.

Interesting...I listened to that great interview and it was enjoyable... I didn't pick up on the portugal part... I do wonder why the same can't be manufactured in Portugal for the MP and MA, unless....there is a reason for them to not want to. 

[Likaleica]

On 10/24/2022 at 12:21 PM, LocalHero1953 said:

£3750 for export, without tax.

So, based on this I emailed Leica Mayfair last night to inquire about the price if shipped from UK to USA.  £4500.

I have instructed my ship mates to lash me to the mast.

[BradS]

8 minutes ago, lmans said:

Interesting...I listened to that great interview and it was enjoyable... I didn't pick up on the portugal part... I do wonder why the same can't be manufactured in Portugal for the MP and MA, unless....there is a reason for them to not want to. 

...but they never said nor implied that they wouldn't (or would for that matter). They did say that the MP and M-A will continue....and gave some idea of how Leica see the three products filling different customers' desires - product differentiation. They clearly see the MP as the flag-ship model in the film camera line-up.

I do think a lot of folks (current MP owners?) here are really over-reacting....and I really do not understand the angst. Leica has added another beautiful film camera to it's product line...and some folks here seem...angry and filled with fear and loathing about it...I just don't get it. (no, I'm not talking about you but many others)

Edited October 26, 2022 by BradS

[Likaleica]

3 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

How ironic!  I said this two days ago:   

I've traveled my entire life with a camera - at various times with pretty much every well-know brand.  The ONLY time in my life another person actually paid any attention to the camera brand was in Peru a few years ago.  I guy walking by on the street said, (in Spanish) "Hey, nice camera."  Turned out he was carrying the exact same model Olympus and lens so we laughed and congratulated each other on our good taste.  

Today,I was out again shooting and in the space of 20 minutes two people noticed my Leica M6.  The first was a kid, probably 9-10 years old.  He/his family passed me in the opposite direction.  He saw the camera and hollered, "DAD!  He's got a LEICA!!"  We all just kept walking; I'm sure dad was extremely embarrassed. 

Ten minutes later a guy - I'm guessing early 20's - noticed it and said, "Wow, is that the new M6?"  "No," I replied, "It's an original M6."  "Well," he responded, "it's a beautiful camera!"  I thanked him and he talked about how he's "always" wanted one and plans to buy a new M6.  We wished each other well and went on our respective ways.

So it's clearly no exaggeration to say that young people are very aware of these cameras.  

 

I wonder if having the M6 in production will make the older models less precious and desirable.  Right now, they are made of an alloy that contains unobtainium.  But when this new mine starts producing that metal, won't the price of older M6 cameras go down? 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Likaleica

[rtai]

I already have an MP, M2, and the M10M. If the new M6 had AE or a different finder magnification like .58 or .85 then yes maybe. A late production M7 with all the kinks ironed out is more appealing to me.

[Likaleica]

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Maybe now is a good time to sell the old M6, at possibly the height of the market, to fund the new M6.

I had an M6 years ago and now have an M7, so I don't need an M6.  But this thing is so beautiful....

To quote William Albert Allen:  "Leica M6.  That's what a camera should feel like."

[Huss]

2 hours ago, rtai said:

I already have an MP, M2, and the M10M. If the new M6 had AE or a different finder magnification like .58 or .85 then yes maybe. A late production M7 with all the kinks ironed out is more appealing to me.

One of my M7s has a 3xxx serial #, the other 4xxxx.  I made sure to get the kinks ironed out ones!

[wattsy]

3 hours ago, BradS said:

Leica has added another beautiful film camera to it's product line...and some folks here seem...angry and filled with fear and loathing about it...I just don't get it.

Fear and loathing might be a bit of an exaggeration but there has been a certain amount of negative reaction to the camera running through some of the threads. My guess is that it is simply because the MP and M-A are now perceived to be 'second best', no longer the top of the line (or at least the most desirable) film camera offering. This feeling has been given added impetus by the vague reports that the MP and M-A have an uncertain future parts and service-wise and are thus cast out as ugly step-children from the Leica M line.😂

[Topsy]

9 hours ago, adan said:

Back on topic.....

If I were getting a new 35mm film camera in 2022, it would definitely be the M6 re-issue.

However, the past 9 months or so with a pretty nice M2 (upgraded to M4 rapid-loading) have persuaded me that my "film aesthetic" is now only satisfied by medium-format, and 35mm just doesn't interest me any more.

The experience reminded me of one I had about 1966 (age 12) - when I rolled a sheet of typing paper into a cone, stuck a needle through the pointy end, lowered the needle tip into the grooves of spinning vinyl records, and produced analog music. DIY gramophone.

Yeah - it worked. But was the quality anything I really wanted to listen to? After playing about 3 tunes, and showing off my "invention" to my dad, I never used it again.

On the plus side, I'll be one less person competing with you for the limited supplies of M6s and Portra 400 135-36 and so on. And I'll look forward to seeing your results on the various film sub-forums.  

I'm a bit the same myself, although I have MP, M2, M4-P and a Canon F1 my love for 35mm shooting has wained. For my film shooting I almost exclusively use 120 in a Bronica SQ-A1. I find the immediacy of digital much more convenient for the smaller format. I use M9s in the same way I used to use film but I can go out and only take 5 or 6 shots and still see them almost instantly unlike with 35mm film. On 120 I normally finish a roll on an outing so only then have to wait for processing. I ough treally to sell my 35mm stuff to someone who would use it but I can't help but feel attached to it and who knows maybe I'll get back into 35mm shooting.

[rtai]

2 hours ago, Huss said:

One of my M7s has a 3xxx serial #, the other 4xxxx.  I made sure to get the kinks ironed out ones!

Browsing the usual US dealers and also eBay for late used M7’s the ones for sale are mostly pre MP finder 288xxxx serial numbers and very little post 288xxxx and hardly ever any in the 3 or 4xxxxxx range. I saw one in the late threes while browsing UK dealers recently but hesitated with some regret. Snoozed and lost!

[lmans]

1 hour ago, wattsy said:

Fear and loathing might be a bit of an exaggeration but there has been a certain amount of negative reaction to the camera running through some of the threads. My guess is that it is simply because the MP and M-A are now perceived to be 'second best', no longer the top of the line (or at least the most desirable) film camera offering. This feeling has been given added impetus by the vague reports that the MP and M-A have an uncertain future parts and service-wise and are thus cast out as ugly step-children from the Leica M line.😂

I am thinking that the M-A will be safe....forever. it is the updated version of the M3 for Pete's sake!  God-like status the M-A will hold so no such thing as second best. Now, the MP is a different story. I feel it will remain in the Leica line-up but will be replenished on a very limited basis and will become second best and perhaps eventually phased out down the long road ahead.  That is of course, if the new M6 takes off. We certainly won't know of that answer but Leica will, real soon.... 

[Huss]

24 minutes ago, rtai said:

Browsing the usual US dealers and also eBay for late used M7’s the ones for sale are mostly pre MP finder 288xxxx serial numbers and very little post 288xxxx and hardly ever any in the 3 or 4xxxxxx range. I saw one in the late threes while browsing UK dealers recently but hesitated with some regret. Snoozed and lost!

Yeah, all the M7s I’ve seen for sale in a long time are in the 27xxx thru 28xxx range. A year or so back you could even buy them brand new in box from a couple of sellers in HK who both had a few.

[Huss]

5 hours ago, Likaleica said:

So, based on this I emailed Leica Mayfair last night to inquire about the price if shipped from UK to USA.  £4500.

I have instructed my ship mates to lash me to the mast.

Don’t know why they are charging you VAT.  Contact https://www.leicastoremanchester.com

Select USD at the top of the page, when you put the item in your cart it shows the price as GBP 3750.  I just checked.

Edited October 26, 2022 by Huss

[Huss]

16 hours ago, adan said:

Back on topic.....

If I were getting a new 35mm film camera in 2022, it would definitely be the M6 re-issue.

However, the past 9 months or so with a pretty nice M2 (upgraded to M4 rapid-loading) have persuaded me that my "film aesthetic" is now only satisfied by medium-format, and 35mm just doesn't interest me any more.

The experience reminded me of one I had about 1966 (age 12) - when I rolled a sheet of typing paper into a cone, stuck a needle through the pointy end, lowered the needle tip into the grooves of spinning vinyl records, and produced analog music. DIY gramophone.

Yeah - it worked. But was the quality anything I really wanted to listen to? After playing about 3 tunes, and showing off my "invention" to my dad, I never used it again.

On the plus side, I'll be one less person competing with you for the limited supplies of M6s and Portra 400 135-36 and so on. And I'll look forward to seeing your results on the various film sub-forums.  

I shoot medium format with a Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Brooks Plaubel Veriwide (6x10) and Zeiss Ikonta.  They still don't replace my Leicas which I carry and use way more, as well as having made me more money!  

[Likaleica]

7 hours ago, Huss said:

Don’t know why they are charging you VAT.  Contact https://www.leicastoremanchester.com

Select USD at the top of the page, when you put the item in your cart it shows the price as GBP 3750.  I just checked.

Dang!  a few hours too late before they caught their mistake!  But thanks for the link.

 

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18 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

How ironic!  I said this two days ago:   

I've traveled my entire life with a camera - at various times with pretty much every well-know brand.  The ONLY time in my life another person actually paid any attention to the camera brand was in Peru a few years ago.  I guy walking by on the street said, (in Spanish) "Hey, nice camera."  Turned out he was carrying the exact same model Olympus and lens so we laughed and congratulated each other on our good taste.  

Today,I was out again shooting and in the space of 20 minutes two people noticed my Leica M6.  The first was a kid, probably 9-10 years old.  He/his family passed me in the opposite direction.  He saw the camera and hollered, "DAD!  He's got a LEICA!!"  We all just kept walking; I'm sure dad was extremely embarrassed. 

Ten minutes later a guy - I'm guessing early 20's - noticed it and said, "Wow, is that the new M6?"  "No," I replied, "It's an original M6."  "Well," he responded, "it's a beautiful camera!"  I thanked him and he talked about how he's "always" wanted one and plans to buy a new M6.  We wished each other well and went on our respective ways.

So it's clearly no exaggeration to say that young people are very aware of these cameras.  

 

A few weeks ago I was photographing the standing stones at Callanish with my O Serie prototype 2 replica.  Another photographer there clocked my camera and said ‘Don’t see many of those these days.’ 

My reply was ‘I’m not f@%king surprised….’

[Fotoklaus]

Am 26.10.2022 um 00:23 schrieb earleygallery:

But they already have 2 film M cameras. A 'commitment to film' would have been a film version of the SL cameras to take the L mount AF lenses.

Because they are all basically the same and they got some NOS M6- parts? There will never be a completely new design of a film camera, in my opinion.

If you had bought an MP a la carte with an M6-like rewind crank, what would it be close the "new" M6?

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11 hours ago, lmans said:

I am thinking that the M-A will be safe....forever. it is the updated version of the M3 for Pete's sake!  God-like status the M-A will hold so no such thing as second best. Now, the MP is a different story. I feel it will remain in the Leica line-up but will be replenished on a very limited basis and will become second best and perhaps eventually phased out down the long road ahead.  That is of course, if the new M6 takes off. We certainly won't know of that answer but Leica will, real soon.... 

I think part of the present hype about a "new" M6 is the misrepresentation of different M models. If you look at the M-A and the M3 you'll perhaps find out, that the M-A has no features which are special for the M3 - neither the outward design, not the rangefinder. You might call the M-A an updated M2 if you look at outward design, or of an M4-P if you look through the viewfinder. Closer to the facts would be to call it a downgraded MP, since it has all features of an MP minus lightmetering. 

Same with the "new" M6. It has the outward design of the original M6, but the viewfinder and the material for the top plate of the MP. So the "new" M6 is just a sidekick of the MP. 

I wonder about the discussions in this forum when Leica will present an "upgrade" of the "new" M6: a camera with no red dots, with no rewind lever, but just a rewind knob ("reduction to the essential..."), in silver chrome or black paint, but all the technical features of the ... MP, eh sorry, I got mixed up: the "new" M6. 

[Fotoklaus]

vor 19 Minuten schrieb UliWer:

I think part of the present hype about a "new" M6 is the misrepresentation of different M models. If you look at the M-A and the M3 you'll perhaps find out, that the M-A has no features which are special for the M3 - neither the outward design, not the rangefinder. You might call the M-A an updated M2 if you look at outward design, or of an M4-P if you look through the viewfinder. Closer to the facts would be to call it a downgraded MP, since it has all features of an MP minus lightmetering. 

Same with the "new" M6. It has the outward design of the original M6, but the viewfinder and the material for the top plate of the MP. So the "new" M6 is just a sidekick of the MP. 

I wonder about the discussions in this forum when Leica will present an "upgrade" of the "new" M6: a camera with no red dots, with no rewind lever, but just a rewind knob ("reduction to the essential..."), in silver chrome or black paint, but all the technical features of the ... MP, eh sorry, I got mixed up: the "new" M6. 

It´s nothing new since the M4-2...